Especially the "lead us not" changing to "do not let us fall." Linguistically, it is a pretty revolutionary re-interpretation.

Scripturally, God often led humans into peril. He "hardened their hearts" and appeared to tempt them into doing the wrong thing. What was the point of putting a tree with forbidden fruit in the Garden of Eden, after all, if not to tempt the newly-created humans to err? This change appears to be moving away from that point of view, and it's significant.

I would have liked to have listened in on the discussions that led to this. It would have been interesting, I'm sure.

How can 'man' change it?

They are suggesting a wording the translation doesn't support, which is technically heretical.

...is a history of making shit up as one goes. The Bible reads like it started off as a game of Mad Libs.

A considerable amount of RCC doctrine has no basis in them. The holy trinity for instance.

The RCC isn't doing something it hasn't been doing for the past couple of thousand years or so.

These were "Holy Ghost" writers.

Maybe the real author left in a grammar slip....
Now who could have been the real author, hm? Someone who is good a "leading those into temptation"?!

Oh yeah, that will save a lot of souls. I predict the protestants will protest.

Then they preyed on their followers' naivete.

Which is to say they don't.

"Let us not be led into temptation."
Think of the good they might do by extending Peace on Earth to all men and women, regardless of religious affiliation!

I don't believe there is any original Aramaic version of Matthew's gospel. That said, your translation - “do not let us fall into temptation” - is extremely close to the new translation that the pope has approved.

I was just curious as to how the Aramaic version came about.

what you're talking about. But about 20 years ago someone recommended this version of the Bible to me (not that I'm an avid Bible reader!) and what little I've explored about this translation, I was always taken by that one line's difference (and why anyone's god had to be implored NOT to lead them into temptation.) What else is in this edition is a foot note about the woman who turns to salt, about how this was this society's idiom for her being tremendously scared (like our "scared shitless" I guess.)

Still old, but derivative from the Greek, with some errors from the mss that we have extant now. Some of them are fairly obvious misreadings of similar letters.

There's an older "translation" called the Old Syriac, but it's not so much a single translation as it is an amalgam of the various texts.

This guy, Lamsa, tried (and some like him still try) to say that since Aramaic was common in the first century CE and because there's this Aramaic text called the "Peshitta" that obviously all the linguistic insights from the Peshitta are necessarily what was intended. So there's this nuanced exegesis of every shade of meaning. It was trendy among non-conformist varieties of Xianity in the '70s. At some point I owned a copy, then realized that it was as useful as an English translation would be of the Russian translation of the Greek mss. The Russian translation from Greek has no obligatory advantage over the English translation from Greek.

It's ALWAYS been a thorn of contention with me, right up there with Jonah and the Whale.....

Either God did test Job or somehow it's Jobs' fault in retrospect.

Head-spinning.

"peace on earth to people of good will" to "peace on earth to people beloved by god." They sure narrowed the list of those who are allowed peace. It does not matter anymore that you are just a good person you have to be loved by god to receive peace.

The change in the lord's prayer still leaves the responsibility to ones actions on god and not themselves. "LEAD us not into temptation" or "do not LET us fall into temptation."

This is going to be a fun conversation with my friend who is a die hard Catholic.

by picking the wrong flavor of sky-being, and of course all those who refuse to bet at all, the filthy atheists, are just shit out of luck in the peace department.

is stuff I enjoy and want to do.
And do no harm.

… I was taking a Hebrew course. The rabbi pointed out that many Jews say prayers in Hebrew not as they are written, but by using words they thought they'd heard growing up.

To illustrate, he pointed out that if you asked a bunch of Catholic school kids in NYC to recite the Lord’s prayer, what you’d hear a lot of is ”… and lead us not into Penn Station.”

"original intentions. "

The Bible is supposed to be the word of God.

But changeable as needed.

Will the Protestant/Baptist type religions go along with it?

Their version is already not the same as the Catholic version.

Most are stuck on the King James or New International translations. You also have to remember the reason the RCC is pushing this narrative isn't because of any deep thought applied to Christian doctrine. It's because they are facing a crisis of the discovery of RCC officials from top to bottom doing genuinely evil shit. Their official excuse is literally 'the devil made us do it'.

The Great Schism was about 1000 years ago.

Arguably the Reformation was also a schism. Actually it isn’t even arguable. So we are down to about 500 years.