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guillaumeb

(42,649 posts) Tue Jun 11, 2019, 11:35 AM Jun 2019

Southern Baptist president says racial insensitivity shows disregard for the gospel

From the article:

Speaking at a black church Sunday (June 9) in a city that is nearly 75% percent African American, the president of the Southern Baptist Convention, J.D. Greear, said white Christians who are racially insensitive are disregarding the gospel.
“I do not need to tell this church the church of the West has had a horrible history of racism,” Greear, a pastor in North Carolina, told Sixth Avenue Baptist Church.
“And there’s one primary reason that that happened: Christians lost touch with the gospel.”...

“The gospel teaches us that there’s only one kind of person: human,” said Greear. “We’ve all got the same problem: sin.”

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Southern Baptist president says racial insensitivity shows disregard for the gospel (Original Post) guillaumeb Jun 2019 OP

Let those that have ears to hear hear that message Docreed2003 Jun 2019 #1

And the ability to process what they hear. eom guillaumeb Jun 2019 #2

This is how Jesus treated someone of a different ethnicity Mariana Jun 2019 #3

He says this to a black church instead of a white church because... Act_of_Reparation Jun 2019 #4

Even if you only read the excerpt, guillaumeb Jun 2019 #6

HOLY SHIT. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2019 #12

Pretty edgy to take a stand against white supremacy Major Nikon Jun 2019 #10

"Is bad" has been the normative take on racism since at least the 1960s. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2019 #17

Too soon to declare.?.?.?. Major Nikon Jun 2019 #20

It's never too soon with these characters. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2019 #21

"Christians lost touch with the gospel." What a steaming pantload of historical revisionism. trotsky Jun 2019 #5

They have always fpund something that they could interpret guillaumeb Jun 2019 #7

No different than you. trotsky Jun 2019 #8

Actually it is a bit different Major Nikon Jun 2019 #19

He also uses the gospel to preach against the right to abortion Major Nikon Jun 2019 #9

Careful now, you'll be accused of demanding perfection. trotsky Jun 2019 #14

Sure, it's not like he demanded political purity of Hitchens, right? Major Nikon Jun 2019 #15

Hitchens, Dawkins, the Satanic Temple, Peter Singer, etc. trotsky Jun 2019 #16

... Major Nikon Jun 2019 #18

SBC is a hard right pile of shit. Voltaire2 Jun 2019 #11

Just when you think you'd seen it all Major Nikon Jun 2019 #13

The Southern Baptist Church formed in 1845 because they supported slavery Rob H. Jun 2019 #22

But he is not using the Bible to justify slavery. eom guillaumeb Jun 2019 #23

Yeah they've moved on to homophobia Voltaire2 Jun 2019 #24

Docreed2003

(17,682 posts)

1. Let those that have ears to hear hear that message

Reply to guillaumeb (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 11:40 AM

Jun 2019

guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)

2. And the ability to process what they hear. eom

Reply to Docreed2003 (Reply #1)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 11:42 AM

Jun 2019

Mariana

(14,965 posts)

3. This is how Jesus treated someone of a different ethnicity

Reply to guillaumeb (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 01:07 PM

Jun 2019

who came to him for help.

A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, "Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is demon-possessed and suffering terribly." Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, "Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us." He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel." The woman came and knelt before him. "Lord, help me!" she said. He replied, "It is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to the dogs." "Yes it is, Lord," she said. "Even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master's table." Then Jesus said to her, "Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted." And her daughter was healed at that moment. Matthew 15 : 22-28 (NIV)

So, first Jesus rudely ignored her, then he compared her to a dog begging for scraps, then he finally helped her, but only after she groveled and debased herself enough to suit him, and agreed with his characterization of her as an unworthy animal.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)

4. He says this to a black church instead of a white church because...

Reply to guillaumeb (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 02:01 PM

Jun 2019

guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)

6. Even if you only read the excerpt,

Reply to Act_of_Reparation (Reply #4)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 04:12 PM

Jun 2019

did you miss this part?

"I do not need to tell this church the church of the West has had a horrible history of racism,” Greear, a pastor in North Carolina, told Sixth Avenue Baptist Church.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)

12. HOLY SHIT.

Reply to guillaumeb (Reply #6)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 07:29 AM

Jun 2019

THAT CHANGES EVERYTHING!

Major Nikon

(36,899 posts)

10. Pretty edgy to take a stand against white supremacy

Reply to Act_of_Reparation (Reply #4)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 06:58 PM

Jun 2019

We should all applaud the SBCs firm progressive position on this subject only 150 years after the 13th Amendment.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)

17. "Is bad" has been the normative take on racism since at least the 1960s.

Reply to Major Nikon (Reply #10)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 08:53 AM

Jun 2019

But whatever, let's gargle this guy's balls anyway. If we don't, he might vote Republican.

Oh. Wait.

Major Nikon

(36,899 posts)

20. Too soon to declare.?.?.?.

Reply to Act_of_Reparation (Reply #17)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 09:35 AM

Jun 2019

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)

21. It's never too soon with these characters.

Reply to Major Nikon (Reply #20)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 10:28 AM

Jun 2019

The bananas are a nice touch.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)

5. "Christians lost touch with the gospel." What a steaming pantload of historical revisionism.

Reply to guillaumeb (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 02:57 PM

Jun 2019

Racist Christians have always found plenty of support in the bible.

guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)

7. They have always fpund something that they could interpret

Reply to trotsky (Reply #5)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 04:13 PM

Jun 2019

to support what they wanted to do.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)

8. No different than you.

Reply to guillaumeb (Reply #7)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 04:42 PM

Jun 2019

Interesting how that works. And neither of you can prove the other one wrong. Because faith!

Major Nikon

(36,899 posts)

19. Actually it is a bit different

Reply to trotsky (Reply #8)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 09:31 AM

Jun 2019

The pretzel logic of Metaphorical Jesus® is an order of magnitude higher than fundamentalism.

Major Nikon

(36,899 posts)

9. He also uses the gospel to preach against the right to abortion

Reply to trotsky (Reply #5)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 04:48 PM

Jun 2019

...and says that homosexuality is a sin, but the SBC should embrace the LGBTQ community to help them pray away the gay.

So sure, why not prop him up as someone progressives should follow kinda like pope Frank.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)

14. Careful now, you'll be accused of demanding perfection.

Reply to Major Nikon (Reply #9)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 08:04 AM

Jun 2019

What's a little bigotry against the LGBTQ community between friends, amirite?

Major Nikon

(36,899 posts)

15. Sure, it's not like he demanded political purity of Hitchens, right?

Reply to trotsky (Reply #14)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 08:15 AM

Jun 2019

So it’s only fair we give him a pass for the 2nd time in about a week he promoted someone who ardently advocates for the destruction of abortion rights.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)

16. Hitchens, Dawkins, the Satanic Temple, Peter Singer, etc.

Reply to Major Nikon (Reply #15)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 08:52 AM

Jun 2019

Hypocrisy is par for the course with that one.

Major Nikon

(36,899 posts)

18. ...

Reply to trotsky (Reply #16)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 08:57 AM

Jun 2019

Voltaire2

(14,632 posts)

11. SBC is a hard right pile of shit.

Reply to guillaumeb (Original post)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 05:05 AM

Jun 2019

Major Nikon

(36,899 posts)

13. Just when you think you'd seen it all

Reply to Voltaire2 (Reply #11)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 07:57 AM

Jun 2019

The silver lining is the next time the usual suspect tries to discredit Hitchens, we can remind him of this thread.

Rob H.

(5,552 posts)

22. The Southern Baptist Church formed in 1845 because they supported slavery

Reply to guillaumeb (Original post)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 03:15 PM

Jun 2019

and the Northern Baptists didn't; it took the SBC until 1995—130 years after the end of the Civil War—to apologize for it.

"And there’s one primary reason that that happened: Christians lost touch with the gospel."

The Southern Baptist Church used the gospel to justify slavery. He's very plainly choosing to distort (read: lie about) his own church's history. Unreal that this gets posted here as if he's doing something laudable.

guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)

23. But he is not using the Bible to justify slavery. eom

Reply to Rob H. (Reply #22)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 07:53 PM

Jun 2019

Voltaire2

(14,632 posts)

24. Yeah they've moved on to homophobia

Reply to guillaumeb (Reply #23)

Thu Jun 13, 2019, 05:00 AM

Jun 2019

and misogyny because overt racism is out of style at the moment.

Why are you promoting one of the most right wing religious cults?

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