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Related: About this forumAmerican Muslim Women Are Fighting For The Freedom To Swim
From the article:
But staff at the Echo Park Pool said Kapadias daughter wasnt allowed to swim, citing her clothing. Her daughter was wearing a bathing suit layered with leggings and a T-shirt, which staff said wasnt appropriate swimwear. When the 39-year-old mother tried to reason with the pool staff, they told her it was out of their hands and to take up her concerns with local West Hempstead officials.
To read more:
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/muslim-women-burkini-pool_n_5d279c95e4b0bd7d1e199769
Ron Obvious
(6,261 posts)They just want an exemption to the clothing restrictions that apply to everyone equally.
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)And these types of restrictions are generally seen as such by the courts.
Ron Obvious
(6,261 posts)There's nothing about them to single out Muslims or to target them for discrimination.
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)Igel
(36,010 posts)For wearing shorts or t-shirts. These were non-immigrant, not obviously Muslim people, both adults and children, and mostly sporting all the secondary sex characteristics of maleness (or, if pre-pubescent, showing traditional male-child behavior or clothing).
I've had staff, when I was wearing a t-shirt and cutoffs (because I didn't have a bathing suit) warn me when I was just sitting there, legs dangling in the water, warn me "no bathing suit, no swimming." And they didn't mean swimming in the buff, either. I'm neither immigrant nor Muslim. Nor female.
The claim has been that bathing suits don't produce lint or perhaps just not as much. Lint, they said (in a few different places) clogs their filtration system. Since it was a few different, unconnected places, I figure either it's a common myth or just possibly the truth and accurate.
So there's anecdotal evidence for the possibility that the other opinion is right.
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)And the same type of rules are also found at public beaches and lakes. All of this anecdotal evidence leads to one conclusion, in my view.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)I don't think so.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Just don't ask why many Muslim women feel obligated to cover themselves in public at all times.
And DEFINITELY don't bring up the many Muslim women who claim that the dress rules are ridiculous and sexist to begin with and we shouldn't be deferring to the fundamentalist religious leaders who enforce them.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)yes, one might be justified in suspecting that this is designed to target religions.
edhopper
(34,660 posts)they target street clothes. I have been asked to leave pools when wearing a T-Shirt.
I now own a proper swim shirt.
But you love to exchange opinions for facts.
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)A burkini is a swimsuit.
edhopper
(34,660 posts)from your article:
Her daughter was wearing a bathing suit layered with leggings and a T-shirt,
not my opinion.
JenniferJuniper
(4,545 posts)at most public pools. They say the fibers clog the filters.
Not everything is persecution.
AncientGeezer
(2,146 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)You really should read the article you posted.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Keep trying to force this to fit your agenda, though.
The rest of us will read the entire article and understand your desperate spin for what it is.
Mariana
(14,965 posts)have been around as long as I can remember. Gil wants to believe religious people are being persecuted, though, so that explains his novel interpretation.
demigoddess
(6,673 posts)guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)Agreed?
demigoddess
(6,673 posts)guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)Fear of women?
AJT
(5,240 posts)be able to have her daughter swim after she goes through the proper channels.
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)Islamophobia is also, unfortunately, quite common even in liberal democracies.
Ron Obvious
(6,261 posts)It's a nonsense word anyway, but particularly in cases like this.
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)But again, we will disagree.
edhopper
(34,660 posts)as has been explained to you. Why do you refuse to accept facts?
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)That is a fact.
AncientGeezer
(2,146 posts)"..wearing a bathing suit layered with leggings and a T-shirt,..."
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)AncientGeezer
(2,146 posts)That says burkinis...but not tee shirts which was the attire worn in your OP
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guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)you read this:
And that is the point of the entire article.
AncientGeezer
(2,146 posts)trotsky
(49,533 posts)He's got an agenda, and the facts be damned.
AncientGeezer
(2,146 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)trotsky
(49,533 posts)He posts an exact quote that contradicts his spin.
Another trainwreck for Engineer Gil.
emmaverybo
(8,147 posts)conspicuous religious symbols worn in public schools as they proclaim themselves a secular society. They also criminalize anti-Semitic speech. So? Whats your point? We ban toplessness at most beaches. The French do not.
You are trying to tie everything in with your agenda without recognizing nuance. But your example is not apt in any case as what the daughter was wearing was not a burkini and violated a safety and health code having nothing to do with religion.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Re-read your article very carefully. She was wearing a swimsuit with a t-shirt and leggings. This is not a burkini. This is a swimsuit with street clothes. Street clothes are not allowed.
Why do you not seem to be able to grasp this?
Muslim women are not 'fighting for the right to swim' in the United States. The article is highly deceptive.
Voltaire2
(14,632 posts)guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)Or not, as you prefer.
Voltaire2
(14,632 posts)edhopper
(34,660 posts)or beating women who are out without a male relative.
You okay with those values too?
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)edhopper
(34,660 posts)You can't even condemn those acts.
This is really sad.
It's like a Republican squirming to not call Trump a racist.
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)One which has nothing to do with the actual post.
edhopper
(34,660 posts)why they must cover their whole body are not allowed either.
Only your agenda is allowed.
Got it, no discussion, only agreement with your opinion.
Next.
AncientGeezer
(2,146 posts)Response to guillaumeb (Original post)
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AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)There's plenty of full-body-covering modesty ACTUAL SWIMWEAR without waterlogging your kid with a cotton T-Shirt and leggings. There was a valid objection, life-safety-wise IN THAT CASE as described.
There should not have been a policy against it, however, and the top laws in the nation protect an individual's right to expression of their religion, including modesty, so the headline is a bit of an exaggeration. There is no 'fight' in probably 99% of the country, and anywhere it IS a fight, call the ACLU and lodge a lawsuit and you're guaranteed a win.
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)Very well said.
But the fight is not just in the US.
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mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)And that within 5 minutes, all male followers must float on their back, facing the sky, and proceed to flog the dolphin, to completion, to celebrate the Life-Giving Rays of the Holy Sky Sphere!
No, really. It's part of my sky-daddy's Commandments. He Told Me So!
And I demand that everyone else respect my Religion, and allow me to publicly engage in my required rituals, otherwise I'm being horribly repressed by The Evil Ones ... and those who do so shall all be banished to an eternity in cold, murky Atlantis!
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)Do you also worship in this manner in the colder months?
Voltaire2
(14,632 posts)Once again the OP failed to either read or comprehend the article he posted. How many times is this now? At least the op is consistent.
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)And that is consistent in this Group for that very small number of posters.
Voltaire2
(14,632 posts)Major Nikon
(36,899 posts)What really matters is posting counterpoint to news about priests raping children.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Consistently humiliating himself.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Parks & Rec typically prohibits street clothes, like leggings, from use in public pools because the materials used in their manufacture are too absorbent or break down in pool water, and thus pose a risk to public property, others, and the would-be swimmers themselves. These rules and regulations have secular purpose, do not have the primary effect of advancing or inhibiting religion, and do not constitute excessive governmental entanglement with religion.
You should probably address that.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)If I'd posted something this bad, I'd have apologized long ago.