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Related: About this forumScribes tried to blot her out. Now a scholar is trying to recover the real Mary Magdalene.
From the article:
On Monday (July 22), the feast day of Mary Magdalene, Elizabeth Schrader will hike up a mountain in the south of France to the cave where, legend has it, the saint lived out her remaining days after the crucifixion of Jesus....
Schrader, a doctoral student at Duke University, has her own way of honoring the woman who witnessed Jesus death and resurrection. Schraders academic work, like that of others, attempts to liberate Magdalene from the patriarchal overlays of ancient Christian scribes who recorded the New Testaments four Gospels.
To read more:
https://religionnews.com/2019/07/19/scribes-tried-to-blot-her-out-now-a-scholar-is-trying-to-recover-the-real-mary-magdalene/
There is much more, but the point Ms. Schrader makes is that patriarchy seems to have motivated the actions of early Church leaders and scribes as they eliminated the significance of Mary Magdalene to the work of Jesus.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)The Abrahmic religions and patriarchy have been inexorably intertwined since they arose. You are completely unjustified in saying some wholly separate "patriarchy" motivated the actions of those Christian men. It was as much part of the religion as communion.
The bigger question for you to answer is why didn't their sincere Christian beliefs overrule that, and leave her in?
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Seems to be the go-to explanation for every lousy thing clergy does these days.
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)So you correctly noted that indeed, the Scribes in question were Christian Scribes.
And I agree with the author that patriarchy is at the root of this rewriting.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)No matter how misguided it might be.
hunter
(38,828 posts)And even established religions have the ability to evolve.
Elizabeth Schrader's work is evidence of this evolution.
I was fortunate to grow up in a matriarchal family.
What's left of any men who tried to assert their "God-given" patriarchal authority over their wives and daughters is probably buried somewhere out in the back forty.
My last immigrant ancestor was a mail order bride to Salt Lake city. That's how she escaped Europe to America.
She didn't much like sharing a husband here so she captured a monogamous man who was passing through town and established a homestead elsewhere, probably taking advantage of federal policies to delegitimize the Mormon church. That's how she escaped Salt Lake City.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)that dominated the dialogue for 2000 years.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)of patriarchy, is to be shockingly ignorant of its history.
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)as you mischaracterize it. Patriarchy is a part of most societies.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)trotsky
(49,533 posts)Voltaire2
(14,632 posts)Their descendants live on to this day.
NeoGreen
(4,033 posts)...it's crap.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)But the larger point is about the obvious patriarchal thinking that allowed these leaders and scribes to rewrite much of her story out of history.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)how can she be 'written out'?
trev
(1,480 posts)Just off the top of my head, I can offer the book Holy Blood, Holy Grail (originally published in 1982, and part of the inspiration for Dan Brown's book The DaVinci Code) as just one attempt to tweak out Mary Magdalene's true role from the one she plays in the gospels.
The Cathars of the Middle Ages (the victims of the Albigensian Crusade) also honored her as playing a much more significant role. That's one of the reasons the Church wiped them out....
I could cite many other examples.
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)Patriarchy needs to suppress the voices and roles of women.
trev
(1,480 posts)that such a patriarchal religion came out of a matriarchal one.
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)But it did serve to suppress and control women.
edhopper
(34,660 posts)the Christian Church has rewritten history to fit their narrative about Magdalene.
But we are to accept that this same Church has kept the history of the man Yeshua accurate for the same period.
Is there something wrong with this picture?
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)It is the effects of patriarchy.
edhopper
(34,660 posts)to have missed my point completely