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guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 08:30 PM Jul 2019

Scribes tried to blot her out. Now a scholar is trying to recover the real Mary Magdalene.

From the article:


On Monday (July 22), the feast day of Mary Magdalene, Elizabeth Schrader will hike up a mountain in the south of France to the cave where, legend has it, the saint lived out her remaining days after the crucifixion of Jesus....

Schrader, a doctoral student at Duke University, has her own way of honoring the woman who witnessed Jesus’ death and resurrection. Schrader’s academic work, like that of others, attempts to liberate Magdalene from the patriarchal overlays of ancient Christian scribes who recorded the New Testament’s four Gospels.


To read more:

https://religionnews.com/2019/07/19/scribes-tried-to-blot-her-out-now-a-scholar-is-trying-to-recover-the-real-mary-magdalene/

There is much more, but the point Ms. Schrader makes is that patriarchy seems to have motivated the actions of early Church leaders and scribes as they eliminated the significance of Mary Magdalene to the work of Jesus.
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Scribes tried to blot her out. Now a scholar is trying to recover the real Mary Magdalene. (Original Post) guillaumeb Jul 2019 OP
Correction to your headline: CHRISTIAN scribes. trotsky Jul 2019 #1
"Fake Christians"? Act_of_Reparation Jul 2019 #2
Obviously you read the article. guillaumeb Jul 2019 #3
You are free to have your opinion. trotsky Jul 2019 #8
The fun thing about religions is you can always roll your own. hunter Jul 2019 #4
Starting your own religion is rarely a fun affair. Act_of_Reparation Jul 2019 #6
It is good to see people recognizing the obvious patriarchal thinking guillaumeb Jul 2019 #7
To believe that your religion is pure and good and only corrupted by the "outside" influence... trotsky Jul 2019 #9
Patriarchy is not an "outside" influence, guillaumeb Jul 2019 #10
Good, I am glad you recognize that patriarchy has always been an integral part of your religion. n/t trotsky Jul 2019 #14
Did you misread "most societies" as "your religion"? eom guillaumeb Jul 2019 #15
Nope! n/t trotsky Jul 2019 #16
She was pregnant with Jesus's kid and fled to France after the execution. Voltaire2 Jul 2019 #5
In Scotland! Because. if it ain't Scottish.... NeoGreen Jul 2019 #18
(cough) assuming she existed at all (cough) AtheistCrusader Jul 2019 #11
Among Christians, that is taken as a given. guillaumeb Jul 2019 #12
If she never actually existed, if the biblical character of Mary never existed... AtheistCrusader Jul 2019 #13
This is hardly a new revelation. trev Jul 2019 #17
Very true. guillaumeb Jul 2019 #20
I find it interesting trev Jul 2019 #23
Patriarchs might call it natural evolution. guillaumeb Jul 2019 #24
So for 2000 years edhopper Jul 2019 #19
Yes, as you hint, there is something wrong. guillaumeb Jul 2019 #21
You seemed edhopper Jul 2019 #22

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
1. Correction to your headline: CHRISTIAN scribes.
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 07:29 AM
Jul 2019

The Abrahmic religions and patriarchy have been inexorably intertwined since they arose. You are completely unjustified in saying some wholly separate "patriarchy" motivated the actions of those Christian men. It was as much part of the religion as communion.

The bigger question for you to answer is why didn't their sincere Christian beliefs overrule that, and leave her in?

guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
3. Obviously you read the article.
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 02:07 PM
Jul 2019

So you correctly noted that indeed, the Scribes in question were Christian Scribes.

And I agree with the author that patriarchy is at the root of this rewriting.

hunter

(38,828 posts)
4. The fun thing about religions is you can always roll your own.
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 02:23 PM
Jul 2019

And even established religions have the ability to evolve.

Elizabeth Schrader's work is evidence of this evolution.

I was fortunate to grow up in a matriarchal family.

What's left of any men who tried to assert their "God-given" patriarchal authority over their wives and daughters is probably buried somewhere out in the back forty.

My last immigrant ancestor was a mail order bride to Salt Lake city. That's how she escaped Europe to America.

She didn't much like sharing a husband here so she captured a monogamous man who was passing through town and established a homestead elsewhere, probably taking advantage of federal policies to delegitimize the Mormon church. That's how she escaped Salt Lake City.

guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
7. It is good to see people recognizing the obvious patriarchal thinking
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 03:56 PM
Jul 2019

that dominated the dialogue for 2000 years.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
9. To believe that your religion is pure and good and only corrupted by the "outside" influence...
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 07:12 AM
Jul 2019

of patriarchy, is to be shockingly ignorant of its history.

guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
10. Patriarchy is not an "outside" influence,
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 03:02 PM
Jul 2019

as you mischaracterize it. Patriarchy is a part of most societies.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
14. Good, I am glad you recognize that patriarchy has always been an integral part of your religion. n/t
Mon Jul 29, 2019, 07:14 AM
Jul 2019

Voltaire2

(14,632 posts)
5. She was pregnant with Jesus's kid and fled to France after the execution.
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 03:11 PM
Jul 2019

Their descendants live on to this day.

guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
12. Among Christians, that is taken as a given.
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 03:09 PM
Jul 2019

But the larger point is about the obvious patriarchal thinking that allowed these leaders and scribes to rewrite much of her story out of history.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
13. If she never actually existed, if the biblical character of Mary never existed...
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 03:11 PM
Jul 2019

how can she be 'written out'?

trev

(1,480 posts)
17. This is hardly a new revelation.
Tue Jul 30, 2019, 12:18 AM
Jul 2019

Just off the top of my head, I can offer the book Holy Blood, Holy Grail (originally published in 1982, and part of the inspiration for Dan Brown's book The DaVinci Code) as just one attempt to tweak out Mary Magdalene's true role from the one she plays in the gospels.

The Cathars of the Middle Ages (the victims of the Albigensian Crusade) also honored her as playing a much more significant role. That's one of the reasons the Church wiped them out....

I could cite many other examples.

edhopper

(34,660 posts)
19. So for 2000 years
Tue Jul 30, 2019, 07:57 AM
Jul 2019

the Christian Church has rewritten history to fit their narrative about Magdalene.
But we are to accept that this same Church has kept the history of the man Yeshua accurate for the same period.
Is there something wrong with this picture?

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