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Two of everything, huh? (Original Post) True Dough Jul 2019 OP
To repeat, they literally believe this or some other similar absurdity... NeoGreen Jul 2019 #1
Why would penguins need an ark? They swim. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2019 #2
My question has always been about the fish... NeoGreen Jul 2019 #3
:) Jim__ Jul 2019 #14
I got thrown out of Sunday School for asking... TreasonousBastard Jul 2019 #4
There are also grown adults who believe a carpenter rose from the dead. Act_of_Reparation Jul 2019 #5
On that note... True Dough Jul 2019 #6
Totes... NeoGreen Jul 2019 #7
It would have been more believable if he'd been a plumber. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2019 #15
There are grown adults who believe there's an invisible wizard who lives in the sky... Act_of_Reparation Jul 2019 #8
There are grown adults who believe an invisible sky tyrant wants the tip of your penis. Act_of_Reparation Jul 2019 #9
There are grown adults who think crackers and wine become actual flesh and blood... Act_of_Reparation Jul 2019 #10
Indeed. Even highly-educated Cardinals and Popes. MineralMan Jul 2019 #12
Hi Act_of_Reparation - You are correct, as a Catholic I believe that during the celebration of the Pendrench Jul 2019 #13
Does it taste like chicken? Major Nikon Jul 2019 #17
Hi Major Nikon - Thank you for taking the time to respond to my post. Pendrench Jul 2019 #20
So if a Dr were to take a sample from your stomach edhopper Jul 2019 #18
Hi edhopper - thank you for responding to my post. Pendrench Jul 2019 #21
Thanks Tim edhopper Jul 2019 #23
You're very welcome. Pendrench Jul 2019 #25
At what point of the digestive process? trev Jul 2019 #28
Hi trev - thank you for responding to my post. Pendrench Jul 2019 #32
Thanks. I was just curious.... nt trev Jul 2019 #34
Hi trev - you are very welcome. Pendrench Jul 2019 #39
Plus all those species native to North America. MineralMan Jul 2019 #11
And where did they get True Dough Jul 2019 #16
I've listened to enough paranormal radio to know that LuvNewcastle Jul 2019 #27
I would have thought that "Bigfoot" would serve uriel1972 Jul 2019 #41
I've heard it that way, too, just never Bigfeet. LuvNewcastle Jul 2019 #49
Consider the Ark story as a parable. guillaumeb Jul 2019 #19
Consider the Bible as bologna Cartoonist Jul 2019 #22
Parables are everywhere in the Bible. guillaumeb Jul 2019 #24
If you're not a literalist, then why believe that god is literally there? trev Jul 2019 #29
He only uses the term "literalist" as a pejorative for non-believers Major Nikon Jul 2019 #31
Oh, wow. trev Jul 2019 #33
More honest than claiming the bible is both true and false at the same time Major Nikon Jul 2019 #35
Oh, the RW type would love to do that.... trev Jul 2019 #36
Exactly Major Nikon Jul 2019 #48
In that case a book of blank pages and procon Jul 2019 #51
I am not a Biblical literalist. eom guillaumeb Jul 2019 #37
So you think the Christian god is a parable? trev Jul 2019 #38
NO... eom guillaumeb Jul 2019 #40
Then please answer my actual question, instead of the one you posited in its place. trev Jul 2019 #42
Faith. eom guillaumeb Jul 2019 #43
Then why not faith in Noah's Ark? trev Jul 2019 #44
Faith in the existence of the Creator guillaumeb Jul 2019 #45
You continue to evade the question. Thanks anyway. trev Jul 2019 #46
Reread my answer, Especially the first line. guillaumeb Jul 2019 #47
Is that assertion taken from the bible'.... NeoGreen Jul 2019 #50
It is my opinion. guillaumeb Jul 2019 #53
I rarely laugh out loud while reading DU. rickford66 Jul 2019 #26
With metaphor all things are possible Major Nikon Jul 2019 #30
no, the small australia ones swam north. pansypoo53219 Jul 2019 #52

NeoGreen

(4,033 posts)
1. To repeat, they literally believe this or some other similar absurdity...
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 09:15 AM
Jul 2019

...







Or, they have been subjected to an intentional and systematic indoctrination that has infected them with absurd ideas.

NeoGreen

(4,033 posts)
3. My question has always been about the fish...
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 09:29 AM
Jul 2019

...freshwater fish in saltwater or saltwater fish in fresh rain water... hmmmm...

Not to mention the insects and arachnids...

In the United States, the number of described species is approximately 91,000. The undescribed species of insects in the United States, however, is estimated at some 73,000. The largest numbers of described species in the U.S. fall into four insect Orders: Coleoptera (beetles) at 23,700, Diptera (flies) at 19,600, Hymenoptera (ants, bees, wasps) at 17,500, and Lepidoptera (moths and butterflies) at 11,500.


https://www.si.edu/spotlight/buginfo/bugnos

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
8. There are grown adults who believe there's an invisible wizard who lives in the sky...
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 01:21 PM
Jul 2019

...who will forgive you your sins no matter how those you've wronged might feel about it.

But that's totes different, amirite?

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
9. There are grown adults who believe an invisible sky tyrant wants the tip of your penis.
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 01:24 PM
Jul 2019

And he'll get real mad if he doesn't get it.

But that's totes different, amirite?

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
10. There are grown adults who think crackers and wine become actual flesh and blood...
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 01:27 PM
Jul 2019

...because some quasi-magician said some words. And none of them seemed bothered by the fact that if it were actually true, they'd be vampires and cannibals.

But that's totes different, amirite?

Pendrench

(1,388 posts)
13. Hi Act_of_Reparation - You are correct, as a Catholic I believe that during the celebration of the
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 02:57 PM
Jul 2019

mass, the bread and wine become the actual body and blood of Christ.

As for being a vampire/cannibal, that is certainly one way to look at it

Wishing you well and peace!

Tim

Pendrench

(1,388 posts)
20. Hi Major Nikon - Thank you for taking the time to respond to my post.
Sun Jul 28, 2019, 06:49 PM
Jul 2019

Actually, the taste can vary from church to church (depending on how the host are prepared) - but as of yet, I haven't found one that tastes like chicken - if I find one that does, I'll be sure to post about it

Wishing you well and peace -

Tim

edhopper

(34,660 posts)
18. So if a Dr were to take a sample from your stomach
Sat Jul 27, 2019, 08:37 AM
Jul 2019

they would have Christ's DNA?
Why has this not been done?

Pendrench

(1,388 posts)
21. Hi edhopper - thank you for responding to my post.
Sun Jul 28, 2019, 07:09 PM
Jul 2019

As I understand it, once consecrated the bread and wine retain their physical attributes, so I'm not sure if it would be possible to distinguish and/or detect the DNA of Christ...however if someone did want to conduct such a test, it could be done at the moment of consecration, so there would be no need of taking a sample from my stomach - it could be done before the host is ingested.

In any event, this is my belief - and I imagine to those outside of the Catholic faith this sounds both illogical and ridiculous.

Thank you again for asking - I appreciate your respectful questions and the opportunity to discuss this with you

Wishing you well and peace

Tim

Pendrench

(1,388 posts)
32. Hi trev - thank you for responding to my post.
Mon Jul 29, 2019, 08:38 AM
Jul 2019

Actually, it is my belief that the host/wine become the body/blood of Christ at the moment of consecration - so that would be before any point in the digestive process.

I hope that I've answered your question - thank you again for the chance to discuss this with you.

Wishing you well and peace.

Tim

MineralMan

(147,334 posts)
11. Plus all those species native to North America.
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 02:50 PM
Jul 2019

What about those. How did they get there? No Mule Deer in the Middle East. No gray squirrels, either. And what about armadillos? That's a long swim for them.

LuvNewcastle

(17,001 posts)
27. I've listened to enough paranormal radio to know that
Sun Jul 28, 2019, 09:35 PM
Jul 2019

'bigfoots' is plural of 'bigfoot,' not 'bigfeet.' I don't know why that is, but that's what I've been told by numerous paranormal researchers and investigators. Maybe it doesn't seem as awkward as 'sasquatches?'

guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
19. Consider the Ark story as a parable.
Sun Jul 28, 2019, 01:42 PM
Jul 2019

The Ark is a hard shelled thing filled with life.

Much like a nut, or seed. And when placed in the ground, it produces life.

Consider the flood as a parable also. Water appears many times in the Bible as a symbol of cleansing, as well as necessary for life.

Cartoonist

(7,507 posts)
22. Consider the Bible as bologna
Sun Jul 28, 2019, 08:00 PM
Jul 2019

Pay no attention to what is actually written. Someone will be along shortly to tell you what it means. He may already be here.

Major Nikon

(36,899 posts)
31. He only uses the term "literalist" as a pejorative for non-believers
Mon Jul 29, 2019, 07:35 AM
Jul 2019

Not so much for the majority of Christians in the US who subscribe to an extremely literal interpretation of the bible.

Kinda funny how that works.

trev

(1,480 posts)
33. Oh, wow.
Mon Jul 29, 2019, 11:36 AM
Jul 2019

I've never seen that tactic before.

And yes, it's distressing how many people think every (heavily redacted) word of the Bible is true.

Thanks.

Major Nikon

(36,899 posts)
35. More honest than claiming the bible is both true and false at the same time
Mon Jul 29, 2019, 12:28 PM
Jul 2019

Some people like to claim the bible is infallible, but when faced with the reality of demonstrably false shit in the bible, they simply pivot and claim what the bible actually says is not what it literally says. Of the two approaches, one requires a higher level of self-delusion.

I suppose we should just be thankful they don't BBQ us in the town square for calling bullshit anymore.

trev

(1,480 posts)
42. Then please answer my actual question, instead of the one you posited in its place.
Mon Jul 29, 2019, 06:39 PM
Jul 2019

I did not ask you if you were a literalist. I asked you why a non-literalist should believe in a literal god.

guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
45. Faith in the existence of the Creator
Mon Jul 29, 2019, 07:08 PM
Jul 2019

is all that is needed.

And as a literature major in two language areas, and one who studied some theology at a Jesuit University, I am reasonably familiar with the constant use of metaphor in the Bible.

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