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Maraya1969

(22,998 posts)
1. Except that many people's religions are what they are born into and almost like their race.
Mon Nov 18, 2019, 10:28 PM
Nov 2019

I'm thinking of Jews and Muslims. People are born into societies; they don't have much control over that.

Most people are born into a family and a society and then taught what their beliefs are. It is only a few who are bold enough to decide for themselves later on who end up leaving.

Major Nikon

(36,900 posts)
2. Race isn't an idea. Religion is. There is no almost to that.
Mon Nov 18, 2019, 10:43 PM
Nov 2019

The reason religion got to where you describe is because it was free from criticism by force of law for thousands of years.

edhopper

(34,836 posts)
3. As someone "born Jewish"
Mon Nov 18, 2019, 10:57 PM
Nov 2019

I say ridicule the ideas of Judism all you want. That is different than ridiculing or insulting me as a person.

Voltaire2

(14,719 posts)
7. The equivalence would be to people
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 04:08 AM
Nov 2019

Raised in racist families and communities. Should we avoid ridiculing their racism because they were just raised that way?

A belief system is not an ethnicity.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
9. So does that mean you're in favor of blasphemy laws?
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 08:15 AM
Nov 2019

Should people face legal consequences if they criticize or mock someone else's religion?

Major Nikon

(36,900 posts)
6. You mean like burning heretics to death in the town square?
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 12:20 AM
Nov 2019

Or the Charlie Hebdo terrorist attack?

Ilsa

(62,240 posts)
8. That's terrorism. I was speaking
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 05:51 AM
Nov 2019

about social implications of insulting the people around you. The offender should be ready for a hearty "go fuck yourself," or more passively, being ignored.

Major Nikon

(36,900 posts)
10. Except what Rowan is talking about is not insulting people
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:03 AM
Nov 2019

It’s criticizing an idea. Certainly some are so attached to their ideas they will view this as as in insult to themselves. That’s what closed mindedness looks like and with some it will rise to the violence stage.

Pendrench

(1,389 posts)
11. I completely agree. As someone who is a born, raised, and still practicing Catholic, I personally
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:51 AM
Nov 2019

think that not only should others be free to criticize what I believe, but I also think that it is beneficial for me to hear such criticism, and ask myself "Why am I offended by what is being said?"

In short, I think that the only way to grow is to learn. And I can do this by:

Examining my own faith
Examining what/why others believe as they do
Examining what/why other do not believe

Just my own thoughts on this.

Wishing all well and peace.

Tim

Major Nikon

(36,900 posts)
12. That's really the only way ideas can be allowed to stand on their own merit
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:55 AM
Nov 2019

This is no different than any other idea. When criticism of ideas is suppressed you have oppression regardless of how well meaning it is.

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