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edhopper

(34,890 posts)
Mon Dec 21, 2020, 12:58 PM Dec 2020

So God sent his only son

who was also God himself, to complete change how people worship. Creating a revolutionary new religion. Right?
But he couldn't be bothered while he was overturning everything people believed to end things like slavery, executions. women's servitude, etc...
The excuse is "that is how times were" flies in the face that Jesus was meant to change how times were.
When you set out to change the world, maybe just saying that we have to look at the times when it happened isn't really a good excuse.

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So God sent his only son (Original Post) edhopper Dec 2020 OP
Yes. There's a limit on the value of precedent. n/t Harker Dec 2020 #1
I like Jesus. Lunabell Dec 2020 #2
Why didn't he condemn edhopper Dec 2020 #3
Wow, I dont know Lunabell Dec 2020 #4
Sorry it came off that way edhopper Dec 2020 #7
Early writings... God was vain and commanding.... slavery was a good comparison to service. n/t JustFiveMoreMinutes Dec 2020 #11
Jesus was a jerk in a lot of ways, according to the stories. Mariana Dec 2020 #9
The belief in the wizard in the sky does have it's downside msfiddlestix Dec 2020 #5
Free will is the key. guillaumeb Dec 2020 #6
And the free will of the slaves? edhopper Dec 2020 #8
Ah man, dont you know?. Eko Dec 2020 #10
You left out edhopper Dec 2020 #12
Dang, Eko Dec 2020 #13
Free will is an attribute of human sentience. guillaumeb Dec 2020 #14
Boy edhopper Dec 2020 #15
It has everything to do with the topic. guillaumeb Dec 2020 #16
It requires a diety that give no moral instruction. edhopper Dec 2020 #17
Well if you go by the applicable religious texts hurl Dec 2020 #18

edhopper

(34,890 posts)
3. Why didn't he condemn
Mon Dec 21, 2020, 01:14 PM
Dec 2020

slavery? Was slavery okay with God? He comes to Earth just once and doesn't want some horrendous things changed? Why?

Mariana

(15,144 posts)
9. Jesus was a jerk in a lot of ways, according to the stories.
Mon Dec 21, 2020, 03:54 PM
Dec 2020

Racist, sexist, destructive, violent, and selfish.

msfiddlestix

(7,824 posts)
5. The belief in the wizard in the sky does have it's downside
Mon Dec 21, 2020, 02:40 PM
Dec 2020

But the rationalizations are pretty special..

edhopper

(34,890 posts)
8. And the free will of the slaves?
Mon Dec 21, 2020, 03:53 PM
Dec 2020

that counts for nothing to God?
So if a man owns 100 slaves, his free will is more important that that of the 100 slaves, who did not choose top be slaves.

And of course your answer does not address the immorality of slavery. Because if God did not condemn slavery, then the "free will" of the slavery owner does not come into play at all. Why would he think about the morality of slave owning if God endorses it? Why would he choose not to own slaves and why would God punish him for it?

Eko

(8,495 posts)
10. Ah man, dont you know?.
Mon Dec 21, 2020, 05:13 PM
Dec 2020

All people have to do is say things like "free will" or "its god's will" and it answers every problematic question about the christian god out there. Sheesh, get with the program man.

Added just in case.

guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
16. It has everything to do with the topic.
Wed Dec 23, 2020, 01:31 PM
Dec 2020

Your position basically requires a controlling deity, and that control by definition removes any free will.

edhopper

(34,890 posts)
17. It requires a diety that give no moral instruction.
Wed Dec 23, 2020, 03:25 PM
Dec 2020

I didn't say God/Jesus should have abolished slavery by fiat, I said he should have said something to show he was opposed to it. He did not.
Are you saying Jesus and God gave no moral instruction?

How does free will to choose to between good and evil work if God doesn't tell you which is which?

hurl

(979 posts)
18. Well if you go by the applicable religious texts
Thu Dec 24, 2020, 12:08 PM
Dec 2020

The deity character makes all sorts of attempts to interfere with free will using commands like don't mix fabrics, don't shave sideburns, don't eat shellfish, don't allow people with flat noses to approach the altar... Throwing in something about not owning people would have been no more intrusive on free will than telling women to stay quiet in church. That deity shows little regard for free will, even meting out punishment for those who exercise it in unapproved ways.

A non-controlling deity is an intriguing concept, but it's not the one depicted in those particular holy books.

To me, they are just examples of people misinterpreting their own cultural prejudices and norms as divine command, with no indication of supernatural inspiration.

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