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Happy Birthday to All Dieties (Original Post) edhopper Dec 2021 OP
Damn ... another thing I have to do now, research and find out more about this! Already got about KPN Dec 2021 #1
It's a large subject edhopper Dec 2021 #2
Indeed! Duppers Dec 2021 #5
And we haven't gotten to... old as dirt Dec 2021 #15
The devil was better than edhopper Dec 2021 #16
Cash? old as dirt Dec 2021 #17
That's better edhopper Dec 2021 #18
I think virtually all religions share certain characteristics, Haggard Celine Dec 2021 #3
That is my feelings about Jesus edhopper Dec 2021 #4
Right, someone trying to reform the current religion, making people Irish_Dem Dec 2021 #11
Villancicos old as dirt Dec 2021 #6
Okay edhopper Dec 2021 #7
It's a Christmas tradition. old as dirt Dec 2021 #8
As Virgin births edhopper Dec 2021 #10
I'm having trouble following you. old as dirt Dec 2021 #12
I see, my bad edhopper Dec 2021 #13
Yet we have a wide diversity of cultures. old as dirt Dec 2021 #14
So our deities were clones or lab made? Irish_Dem Dec 2021 #9

KPN

(16,101 posts)
1. Damn ... another thing I have to do now, research and find out more about this! Already got about
Wed Dec 22, 2021, 12:16 PM
Dec 2021

40 things started, none of them finished. But this really piques my curiosity.

edhopper

(34,773 posts)
2. It's a large subject
Wed Dec 22, 2021, 12:40 PM
Dec 2021

but the take away is that the myth of Jesus' Virgin Birth was neither unique or new to religions from that time or place.
Some Christians argue that the truth of Jesus can be seen on how special he is in World's religions. The truth is the mythology of Jesus was run of the mill.

 

old as dirt

(1,972 posts)
15. And we haven't gotten to...
Thu Dec 23, 2021, 09:41 PM
Dec 2021

… the connections between the violin and the devil.

It's a large subject


Haggard Celine

(17,022 posts)
3. I think virtually all religions share certain characteristics,
Wed Dec 22, 2021, 12:42 PM
Dec 2021

including the 'facts' about the lives of their teachers/saviors, and Christianity is a good example of that. Christianity used syncretism to gain converts and become the dominant religion in Europe and parts of western Asia. They realized that there were aspects of the various mystery religions and pagan myths that fed a psychological need that people had, possibly a need for explanation about the unknown, and the unknown covered a lot of ground in those days. So early Christians cobbled together elements of these different religions in order to gain converts, and the large number of converts gave them a lot more power, which was eventually put to use by kings and emperors to help control people.

Some people today think that Jesus the person was a complete fiction. I think there was an original teacher about whom the legend of Jesus is based, maybe even a few teachers who were in Palestine around the beginning of the Common Era. Of course I don't believe in the nativity story, and I'm not sure whether there was a crucifixion, although the idea of a teacher making Jewish leaders angry and running afoul of the Romans doesn't seem too farfetched.

edhopper

(34,773 posts)
4. That is my feelings about Jesus
Wed Dec 22, 2021, 12:47 PM
Dec 2021

or Yeshua. A real person, or people, from which a complete myth grew around. I doubt a single thing in the Gospels is true. I am quite sure none of the "red words", words spoken by Jesus, are accurate. They may relate some of what he preached, but we can't know.

Irish_Dem

(57,327 posts)
11. Right, someone trying to reform the current religion, making people
Thu Dec 23, 2021, 10:31 AM
Dec 2021

angry in the process seems a reasonable event.

But then power hungry leaders decided to jack up the whole situation for reasons of power and control over the populace. That seems reasonable too.

 

old as dirt

(1,972 posts)
6. Villancicos
Wed Dec 22, 2021, 08:12 PM
Dec 2021
Villancicos: Qué Bonito está mi Niño

Intérprete: Cantaoras del Patía

Autor: Folclor Tradicional

El Patía, Cauca

edhopper

(34,773 posts)
10. As Virgin births
Thu Dec 23, 2021, 10:28 AM
Dec 2021

are a part of the cultural heritage of humanity.

Religious celebrations have been with us since Cro-Magnon first evolved.

I would say Winter Solstice tradition is a part of that cultural heritage, Christmas is just one of many.

 

old as dirt

(1,972 posts)
12. I'm having trouble following you.
Thu Dec 23, 2021, 11:16 AM
Dec 2021

You seem to be all over the place. I'm not even sure what you are talking about. Lots of generalities, though.

I was referring to la cultura afropatiana.

Historians and Anthropologists consider it part of the Intangible Cultural Heritage of Humanity.

That's why there are efforts to preserve it.

Cantaoras Del Patía - Historia y Trayectoria



edhopper

(34,773 posts)
13. I see, my bad
Thu Dec 23, 2021, 01:21 PM
Dec 2021

I misunderstood your post.
Yes, we are ALL from Africa and it is part of our humanity.

Be well.

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