Not a popcorn moment.

I Know the evangelicals will never change.

“ When a cultural issue intersects with the teachings of Jesus, we definitely should say something. The problem is when we do that -- which we should -- we do that knowing that ... if I take a more left-leaning position on gun control -- which I wouldn't, because in my mind that's a very complicated issue -- but if I did, then I realize that the Republicans in my church are going to put me in the bucket of everything that the Democrats believe, because there's no middle ground now. There's no nuance. It's tricky.”

The point here isn't that he he may or may not be a gun nut, it's that he recognizes that being a gun nut or anti-gun doesn't matter in God's eyes, so it shouldn't be a matter in evangelicalism. He recognizes Jesus never said dick about guns. He understands the difference between living a Christian life and living an American life is also very complicated, as they have to be held in tension with each other when they diverge. Faith is something for congregants to grapple with, not weaponize or politicize.

Not to mention, many, many Democrats and liberal Christians own guns. I'm not one of them but I 100% support this pastor for drawing boundaries and speaking truth.

using the power of government to force people to your doctrine undermines the very concept of most religions. If their positions are not gladly chosen by their followers, but are forced onto unwilling subservients then God is not supreme, but the human organization of the church is. In fact, they are putting their church above God itself.

Or "God didn't intend for us to cover our faces"?