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Eugene

(62,623 posts) Sat Nov 26, 2022, 03:30 PM Nov 2022

Vatican says China violated pact on bishops, wants explanation

Source: Reuters

Vatican says China violated pact on bishops, wants explanation

Philip Pullella
Sat, November 26, 2022 at 7:57 AM

VATICAN CITY (Reuters) -The Vatican on Saturday accused Chinese authorities of violating a bilateral pact on the appointment of bishops by installing one in a diocese not recognised by the Holy See.

A statement said the Vatican learned with "surprise and regret" that the bishop of another district had been installed as auxiliary, or assistant, bishop in Jiangxi.

The unauthorized installation appeared to be one of the most serious violations of a 2018 agreement between the Vatican and Beijing on the appointment of bishops.

The Chinese foreign ministry did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

The accord, which some Catholics have denounced as a sell-out to China's Communist authorities, was last renewed for a two-year period in October. Its details are still secret.

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Vatican says China violated pact on bishops, wants explanation (Original Post) Eugene Nov 2022 OP

Authoritarian government edhopper Nov 2022 #1

Which one? Major Nikon Nov 2022 #3

Both edhopper Nov 2022 #4

You're free to be Catholic or not. Igel Dec 2022 #5

Agreed edhopper Dec 2022 #6

The world acts surprised when dictators do whatever they want. Irish_Dem Nov 2022 #2

edhopper

(34,652 posts)

1. Authoritarian government

Reply to Eugene (Original post)

Sat Nov 26, 2022, 03:45 PM

Nov 2022

does what?

Major Nikon

(36,899 posts)

3. Which one?

Reply to edhopper (Reply #1)

Sat Nov 26, 2022, 10:30 PM

Nov 2022

Or were you talking about both?

edhopper

(34,652 posts)

4. Both

Reply to Major Nikon (Reply #3)

Sat Nov 26, 2022, 11:23 PM

Nov 2022

But more China in this case. The Vatican having complete control over the Church is par for the course.

Igel

(36,004 posts)

5. You're free to be Catholic or not.

Reply to edhopper (Reply #4)

Tue Dec 6, 2022, 10:06 PM

Dec 2022

But if in China, you're not free from "everything in the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state."

That was also the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. Or Venezuela. Or even Iran.

When you see more and more state control, that's where it's heading. The state rules everything, nothing escapes, and if it challenges state authority (or the politicians' authority) that's a bad thing meaning that the state obviously needs to increase power. That may be Mussolini's catch-phrase, but it's obviously not just fascist sensu stricto.

edhopper

(34,652 posts)

6. Agreed

Reply to Igel (Reply #5)

Tue Dec 6, 2022, 10:31 PM

Dec 2022

I was just making a snarky comment about the Church calling the kettle black.

Irish_Dem

(55,825 posts)

2. The world acts surprised when dictators do whatever they want.

Reply to Eugene (Original post)

Sat Nov 26, 2022, 07:38 PM

Nov 2022

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