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Apparently this has been a theological debate for quite some time. I was blissfully unaware.
As late as the fourth and fifth centuries A.D., a period when pretty much all Christians agree that Jesus had a real human body, Christians are still debating the poop question. Epiphanius, a late fourth century monk and bishop who spent a great deal of his time denouncing heretics, denies that Jesus ever eliminated solid waste (Panarion 77). Kelley Spoerl, a professor at St. Anselm College and the author of several important articles on this subject, told me that whats interesting is the context in which Epiphanius does this. During this section of the Panarion he was fighting with a group of Christians known as Apollinarians. Apollinarians believed that Jesus did not have a rational human soul and Epiphanius (and all modern Christians) strongly rejected this idea. Where Epiphanius was willing to agree with the Apollinarians was on the question of bathroom visits. As Spoerl told me: Epiphanius agrees with those Apollinarians who think Jesus did not excrete solid waste even though he disagrees with their other theories about Jesuss lack of a rational human soul or the claim that Jesuss body/flesh is somehow different from ours. So once again you have theologians who disagree on other points of this issue reaching across the aisle on the question of digestion.
Whats uniting these conversations about Jesus digestion, Spoerl told me is a clear desire to affirm the historical, physical reality of Jesuss bodybut, in Epiphaniuss case, to avoid the perceived defilement that the body brings
In order to make his case Epiphanius appeals to another well-known case in which people may not have excreted, namely, the Moses-led Israelites who wandered in the wilderness eating manna supplied by God. Rabbinic interpretations of what happened in the wilderness maintained that as the Israelites were eating the bread of angels (manna) they didnt excrete it because it was bread that is absorbed in the limbs (Sifré to Numbers 88). Though Epiphanius doesnt mention them, there were ancient Greeks who were also rumoured never to have gone to the bathroom. Dunderberg mentioned that two philosophers discussed in the ancient compilation Lives of the Philosophers never excreted solid waste either.
In part this conversation reflects a cultural abhorrence of excrement. Its not so pleasant. Early Christian descriptions of hell describe people buried up to their necks in piles of the stuff. You can see why people dont want to associate it with an incarnate deity.
Simultaneously, there are some serious medical underpinnings to the debate. Ancient medical thought about how digestion works seems to have been driving a lot of this conversation. Claire Bubb, a medical historian at the Institute for the Study of the Ancient World at NYU, told me that most ancient theories of digestion relied on the concept of heat and the individual capacity to produce it. Aristotle, in whose theories heat plays a critical role in general, leans particularly hard into this correlation. Heat for him is unambiguously what turns ingested food into nourishment suitable for the body. Further, he believes that the degree of heat is variable in different individuals, but that some are closer to perfect than others.
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Srkdqltr
(7,568 posts)True Dough
(20,004 posts)he may have been known as the Constipated Carpenter!
AZSkiffyGeek
(12,529 posts)Of having a figure shitting in the background of the nativity. Maybe they needed someone to make up for baby Jesus?
NewHendoLib
(60,437 posts)Well, you think you've read it all...then this post.
True Dough
(20,004 posts)he turned his pee into wine???
edhopper
(34,652 posts)shit in the woods?
True Dough
(20,004 posts)Apparently there have been 266 popes throughout history. The ones named Pius, I don't even think you could say "shit" in their presence.
Regardless, I'm sure they all broke wind after breaking bread.
RandySF
(70,227 posts)True Dough
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RandySF
(70,227 posts)He took human form. He thirsted, ate, drank, wept, bled. Surely he used the bathroom.
Marcuse
(7,981 posts)doc03
(36,527 posts)full of it.
dchill
(40,238 posts)Journeyman
(15,136 posts)rubbersole
(8,350 posts)Or, no shit?
Effete Snob
(8,387 posts)Gore1FL
(21,777 posts)When one's blood is wine, I wonder what bilirubin looks like.
ret5hd
(21,313 posts)LakeArenal
(29,721 posts)3Hotdogs
(13,326 posts)This guy comes on the air, free associating.... I wonder if God has a willy. Man is made in the image of God. Men have willy's. Does God have one? I wonder if he plays with his willy. .....
The guy was soon off the air.
Now that question has more significance than if Jesus took a shit -- or many shits.... or a shit a day...
Because, the priests told me I shouldn't play with my willy. So if God has a willy and he plays with it.... What da fuck?
True Dough
(20,004 posts)playing with 3Hotdogs!
Frasier Balzov
(3,449 posts)However, the question of Did Jesus Cum must surely follow.
True Dough
(20,004 posts)was he rhapsodizing, "Oh God! Oh God! Oh God."
Awkward!
Doc Sportello
(7,958 posts)You won't see that on the Sistine Chapel ceiling!
Frasier Balzov
(3,449 posts)Major Nikon
(36,899 posts)Theres absolutely no mention of Jesus being any sort of deity in the synoptic gospels. What they do mention is Jesus claiming to be the messiah, which no Jew of that time would consider to be a god even if they accepted him as the messiah.
Jesus was deified much later as a matter of convenience since that elevated his status among gentiles who had no care about a messiah to the Jewish people.
So if you assume Jesus existed as some sort of Rabbi with a messianic claim, then yes he shat, he also most certainly had sexual relationships, masturbated, and did the helicopter with his penis a time or two.
3catwoman3
(25,354 posts)over my life, this question never even crossed my mind.
True Dough
(20,004 posts)Do you think Jesus used a litterbox, Catwoman?