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progressoid

(50,687 posts)
Sat May 25, 2024, 12:31 PM May 2024

Italian teen to become first millennial saint after the Pope recognises second miracle

A London-born teenager who died at the age of 15 is set to become the Catholic church's first millennial saint after having a second miracle attributed to him by Pope Francis.
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The teenager became the youngest contemporary person to be beautified in 2020 after appearing to posthumously cure a Brazilian boy, Mattheus Vianna, of a serious birth defect that made eating difficult.
The boy, who had been on an all-liquid diet, had attended a prayer service and asked for the teenager Acutis's intercession that he should "not throw up as much".
Following the service, Mattheus told his mother that he felt "healed" and asked for solid food.

...https://www.9news.com.au/world/carlo-acutis-teen-catholic-church-first-millennial-saint-after-pope-recognises-second-miracle/47ade07c-5f81-4b7d-a695-a96c4c26d309


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Italian teen to become first millennial saint after the Pope recognises second miracle (Original Post) progressoid May 2024 OP
He posthumously cured a boy? zanana1 May 2024 #1
coincidences are attributed to miracles in fairy land cayugafalls May 2024 #2
According to Catholic Doctrine snowybirdie May 2024 #3
Thank you. zanana1 May 2024 #4
Yes. That's what saints do: intercede with God on your behalf. cbabe May 2024 #5
I love journalism! He was beautified? I believe the term is beatified. bucolic_frolic May 2024 #6
Roman Rite used to use the term 'canonized'. sprinkleeninow May 2024 #8
The heirarchy of heaven is weird edhopper May 2024 #7
Yeah, this. Ferrets are Cool May 2024 #9
At it's core, this is not a monotheistic religion. Voltaire2 May 2024 #10
It most certainly is a monotheistic religion. whathehell May 2024 #11
Mother Mary and the holy trinity Voltaire2 May 2024 #12
No. whathehell Jun 2024 #13

snowybirdie

(5,581 posts)
3. According to Catholic Doctrine
Sat May 25, 2024, 12:41 PM
May 2024

If a deceased person is prayed to by a petitioner for a cure or intercession, and that happens, its declared a miracle and the deceased person is considered a saint.

cbabe

(4,085 posts)
5. Yes. That's what saints do: intercede with God on your behalf.
Sat May 25, 2024, 12:44 PM
May 2024
https://www.livescience.com/38033-how-vatican-identifies-miracles.html



In the Catholic religion, saints are people who are in heaven with God. Though many more people may be in heaven and technically saints, those deemed official saints of the church are ones that the Catholic church knows are in heaven. As such, people can pray to these saints, who sometimes intercede on their behalf with God.

But determining who is in heaven is a tricky proposition. That's where miracles come in. According to the church, miracles, or divine events that have no natural or scientific explanation, serve as proof that the person is in heaven and can intercede with God to change the ordinary course of events. [Proof of Jesus Christ? 7 Pieces of Evidence Debated]

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bucolic_frolic

(46,560 posts)
6. I love journalism! He was beautified? I believe the term is beatified.
Sat May 25, 2024, 12:45 PM
May 2024

Of course we don't know if it was AI, AI rewrite, spell check, or modern journalists. But I hear after curing others he was also looking good!

sprinkleeninow

(20,534 posts)
8. Roman Rite used to use the term 'canonized'.
Sat May 25, 2024, 01:15 PM
May 2024

Eastern Orthodoxy from the get-go used the terminology 'beatified', not canonized. When did the Romans change/correct? I dunno.

edhopper

(34,640 posts)
7. The heirarchy of heaven is weird
Sat May 25, 2024, 01:04 PM
May 2024

All seeing, all knowing God doesn't answer your prayers. A Saint, or wannabe saint goes to God and says, "Hey, help this kid". All knowing, infallible God changes his mind and cures the kid. Then people here on Earth, and NOT God in heaven make them a saint.

How does that all work?

And what about all the prayers and miracles to Saints that later turned out not to be real people?

whathehell

(29,639 posts)
11. It most certainly is a monotheistic religion.
Thu May 30, 2024, 07:12 PM
May 2024

Those deemed "saints" by the Catholic Church and other Christian denominations, are not regarded as deities.

Voltaire2

(14,631 posts)
12. Mother Mary and the holy trinity
Fri May 31, 2024, 08:42 AM
May 2024

Mary is worshipped as a deity despite whatever the official status is.
The religion has never been able to rationalize the status of its alleged monotheism with its claim that there are three instantiations of 'god'.
Many of the early saints are syncretic transfers from greco-roman pagan gods. They are also worshipped individually, again irrespective of the official doctrine regarding what a saint is.
As the religion spread into other cultures its syncretic nature incorporated indigenous religious ceremonies and gods into (generally) catholic festivals and saints. See for example Mexican catholicism.

whathehell

(29,639 posts)
13. No.
Sat Jun 1, 2024, 01:12 PM
Jun 2024

All religions are defined by their official tenets..Mary is not, and never has been, defined as a deity. Like the saints, she is venerated, not worshipped, despite the ill-informed inclinations of a few. To say otherwise is like denying the Ten Commandments as essential to
Judaism because some of of its adherents choose not to follow them.

The explanation of the Trinity is rational in its analogy to substances like water. They are one substance, even though their physical forms differ, and are assigned unique names.





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