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icymist

(15,888 posts)
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 02:07 PM Oct 2016

Debate as Rorschach Test—or Why I’m Voting for Hillary Clinton (Starhawk)

Watching the second debate between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, in the wake of the release of Trump’s sexual assault tapes, was a gut-churning, visceral experience for me and, I suspect, for every woman who has ever suffered from sexual assault or the fear of rape. Clinton won my admiration and respect for her grace under fire, and her ability to remain focused, clear and smiling while Trump stalked her.

Trump literally threatened her, saying he’d jail her if he becomes president—a new low in American politics—and then proceeded with a display of disrespectful and intimidating body language, pacing, turning his back, and looming up behind her for all the world as if he were auditioning for the role of predator in a film noir thriller.

Every communication involves both text—the words we say—and subtext—everything else, tone, body language, syntax, etc. Trump’s text was bad enough: besides threatening to jail Clinton if he wins, he promised to ramp up the nuclear arms race, support more development of oil and coal, and continued to defend his racist, sexist positions on women, people of color, immigrants and Muslims. But his subtext was downright creepy—from the dismissal in his tone every time he mentioned his ‘locker room talk’ to the lurking, snuffling monster imitation of his physical presence, not to mention the venom in his voice every time he said the word ‘she’.

Yet even while he dissed and dismissed Clinton, he also attributed to her almost Godlike powers, continually complaining about how, although she’d been in politics for thirty years, she hadn’t solved crime or education or poverty or a host of other problems. As if she were a Queen with absolute power, not a participant in a system with multiple conflicting powers, checks and balances. Or maybe not a Queen, but that other deep archetype of female power—a Witch!

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So, I’m speaking to my friends and allies on the progressive side—can we stop the viciousness? Like her, don’t like her, criticize her, but leave off the venom, please! Your vitriol hurts women—all of us. It reinforces the archetypes that see women’s power as dangerous and malicious, the same archetypes that contributed to the burning of Witches and that make women vulnerable targets of male rage.

http://starhawk.org/debate-as-rorschach-test-or-why-im-voting-for-hillary-clinton/
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Debate as Rorschach Test—or Why I’m Voting for Hillary Clinton (Starhawk) (Original Post) icymist Oct 2016 OP
Kick and Recomend Tribalceltic Oct 2016 #1
The election presents a true dichotomy Sanity Claws Oct 2016 #2

Tribalceltic

(1,000 posts)
1. Kick and Recomend
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 02:14 PM
Oct 2016

As a pagan, feminist supporting male there is no possible way i could consider a confessed sexual assaulting, pedophile, voyeur, and possible rapist for president.

Secretary Clinton has proven many times that she has American values, women, children, and poverty stricken people in her heart. I have watched her career and she has my utter and complete support




one for Secretary Clinton, one for a democratic house and one for a democratic Senate

Sanity Claws

(22,038 posts)
2. The election presents a true dichotomy
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 02:35 PM
Oct 2016

a strong woman with feminist beliefs vs. a male misogynist
Trump is not like Romney, who was clueless about feminism. Trump harbors deep misogyny and does not even seem to recognize women as people, with their own feelings, goals, etc.

The election almost seems to embody the issue of how does/ will this society treat women.

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