IT CAN'T HAPPEN UNLESS THE PLANETS ARE THERE. As I've said, the patient (USA) cannot go thru a recovery because the patient is still on the table with more and more diseased organs being upturned and hopefully cured and purged.

There is no END that is supposed to do anything. We are clearly headed toward destruction unless we go through the 2015 Pluto opposition to our USA Sun (which is underway now) with a bold, honest effort to see ourselves as equals to the rest the world instead of feeling entitled to manipulate their populace and governments in the name of "national interests" better known as Plutocracy.

No planet is going to save us. The same planets that would destroy us can save us, it's NOT the planet; it's how we live as one entity or not. My 2 cents.

I've already published many lists of dates that these events would trigger in many of my newsletters and here. Pluto and Uranus will square 4 more times but they are only a tiny part of the story.
The TWO BIG stories are when Pluto opposes the USA's Sun in 2015 and the biggie,
when Pluto returns to its native spot around 2020.
simply: be pure, and enjoy the returns; be impure, and suffer the consequences.
It's up to us as a collective, Pluto is neutral but sternly decisive.

thank so much for the recap...I know you ahve been keeping us abreast of these happenings as they have been coming down the pike, but could not recall specifics

it's amazing to me that we will be seeing these changes over the next few years...no change this big can happen in an instant, that's for sure...

I hope our country and leaders get a clue though, the crap is getting thicker oit seems...some of us are gonna need our hip-boots before all is over i am afraid

we know that

Our collective Cancerian nature is used to ducking under the covers and waiting it out.
Nothing like this has ever happened before to USA.
Tecumseh tried to warn the Indians, especially the Cherokees. They wouldn't listen either.
He SAW the future, the White Man went on to genocide its way to the Pacific 17 miles per year.

We need strength we've never called on before. The Internet is our vehicle. We need leaders.
We actually have to save the Plutocrats from themselves. How ironic.

The reason it's hard to see all of this is that non-astrologers have a hard time realizing
just how specifically rare these astral times are. We're not exaggerating.
We can see the USA going through great changes to our identity-crisis, e.g., fighting
bullying, military gays, LGBT, Occupiers, exposing voting cheats, fighting Frakkers, on and on.
We just have to keep at it and we showed that Koch money couldn't buy elections but still
own our congressmen and Supreme Court.

We are in a revolution directly related to the 60's

I read somewhere that the distinguishing characteristic of this time is that there will be no leaders and that the change will come about on the part of the people on the ground level.

Look at how Operation Wall Street worked.

Many media pundits criticized the movement for having no specific leaders, but this form of leadership has its advantages. One is that the traditional tactics of the right are flummoxed by the fact that they have a hard time demonizing and villifying the leaders, since no one knows who they are or if they even are.

Also, from another source, I heard something that fits into this, albeit in a roundabout way. The source is an experienced palm reader. The question put to him was that since he reads hundreds of palms over an extended period of time, what does he see in these palms that say what might happen in our collective future?

The answer was that he sees us ignoring the federal government and going about our way on a more regional level. He says there is a food revolution going on and that people will be doing more of their own food-growing.

Interestingly, he does not see this as a result of a catastrophe. He didn't say this, but I watch these matters because of my interest in healthy food, but I wonder if it's because people are becoming better educated about what a disaster this "national" food system is. To have a national food system, we have to have preservatives and chemicals in the food. A regional food system would not.

If anyone wants to know the name of the palm reader, let me know and I'll look it up.


Cher

because there are no leaders to round up and put in jail.

As you said, the Plutocrats can't "demonize or vilify" the leaders, because there aren't any. We are all the leaders.

And, yeah, I think the grow-your-own food revolution is part of it. Helping each other DIY, helping each other unhook from/release dependence on a system that keeps us dependent on greedy powers who do not have anyone's welfare at heart, except lining their wallets at our expense.

Ken Keasey said years ago (at a rally for The Vietnam Day Committee) that he felt we all just needed to turn our backs on The Establishment (the current system of war and greed), and just say f#ck it. Go away, stop supporting The Establishment, create the world we want to live in.

A HUGE job...we are the ones that we've been waiting for (and we are the ones The Establishment warned us about).

I've always believed the the Jewish and Muslim laws regarding what and when to eat were a fundamental means of psychological and social control because eating is such a primitive, basic activity. To unplug from the national food system is to set in motion all sorts of unplugging at other levels. It means that we begin to create a paradigm of relying on the community that's closest to us. My niece, who lives in LA (Lower Alabama) just posted on her facebook page, "You know you live in a small town when the farmer at the farmer's market runs out of something and tells you where he lives so you can go pick some more for yourself." That's what we should be aiming for. I know I've already disengaged emotionally from all the crap that's coming down on a national level, and I was deeply engaged from the moment they stopped counting the chads in 2001. I'm involved now in a half dozen local organizations instead.

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I'm reading Gar Alperovitz' new book "What Then Must We Do" and he addresses many approaches I resonate with very strongly (worker- and community-owned cooperatives), but he also mentions regionalism as a practical necessity for a country the size (geographically and population-wise) of the US.

I also agree about a leaderless revolution for many reasons.



Does anyone participate in online book clubs any more? I'd love to have discussions about several books in my awareness right now. I have the space but haven't asked out loud in a while about interest in such a thing.

Does DU have a private book club section I don't know about?

I would love to read it and discuss it.

Yes, DU has book threads. There is a nonfiction and a fiction.

We could set up our discussion in nonfiction.

You know, The Blue Flower, I never thought about what you said. I was just thinking of it in terms of healthy food and keeping disease at bay. During the Sandy power outage, though, I learned what it was like to unplug and I learned fast about that "primitive" level of which you speak. It was exhilarating. I think we are missing a huge amount by living the way we live.

This could be a very pleasant surprise for all of us.

In fact, your post reminds me that someone on this forum asked me to write about that experience at some point, and now that I am off work for the summer, I would have the time to do so. I think I will write up a post on it. I may call it--it your honor--"unplugging."


Cher

Not thinking the general DU population would choose the same books.

I wanted to participate but I was not working and could not afford to purchase the books. I'm willing to try a book group here.

Books -- especially the books we're likely to want to read together -- bring up a lot of things I would want to share, regarding how the book impacts me, but wouldn't want to do so on a public forum.

The Wishadoo groups have hosted a book discussion before and it worked well; privacy settings can be set.

Or, if people interested are on FB, a private group there is cool, too.

I don't facebook so I'd be out if that is where it happens, but other net based things could work for me. I read a lot in any case, so my feelings won't be hurt if others find it easier to facebook the group.

I could be the only one who prefers a private space (while I'm generally very open and honest, I am hesitant and more cautious since the Glenn Beck thing).

Just sayin'.