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and if Sloan-Kettering isn't reputable, I'm not sure what is.

I wanted the disclaimer posted in this thread. As a host here, and since I work in healthcare, I wish to point out that certain combinations of herbals and main-stream medicine can have adverse effects. Always check with a professional medical practitioner, preferably your doctor, before taking these. Many of the herbs mentioned these days are listed in their own section in nurse's drug handbooks.

and any such claim immediately indicates woo-science. It may mediate against the effects of radiation but protect - no.

Now onto the "hundreds of studies in peer reviewed journals". Any citations to support that? Nope.

There have been some studies of Fucoidan. In vitro (under glass) it seems to have an effect on some cancer cell lines (1) but this has not been replicated in vivo (in a living organism).

There have been small in vivo studies with rabbits which seem to show an effect on hyperplasia (rapidly proliferating cells) (2) but these have not been effectively replicated nor has a mechanism been identified (3)

There was a clinical study which showed an increase in CD34+ immune cells and expression of a cell binding factor (4)

On the other hand there was the experiment with rats that showed that Fucoidan increase mortality from meningitis (5)

As to the super long life of Okinawans, well they don't live that much longer. Currently their average lifespan is about 1 year longer than mainland Japanese (and that only since about 1973) and about 2 years longer than Swedes. More likely it is not a magic ingredient which supports this life span but the generally healthy diet including lots of fish and very less pork and refined rice.

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(1) Aisa Y; Miyakawa Y; et al. (2005 Jan). "Fucoidan induces apoptosis of human HS-sultan cells accompanied by activation of caspase-3 and down-regulation of ERK pathways". American Journal of Hematology 78

(2) Jean-François Deux; Anne Meddahi-Pellé; et al (2002). "Low molecular weight fucoidan prevents neointimal hyperplasia in rabbit iliac artery in-stent restenosis model". Arteriosclerosis, Thrombosis, and Vascular Biology 22

(3) Wu XZ, Chen D (September 2006). "Effects of sulfated polysaccharides on tumour biology". West Indian Med J 55

(4) Irhimeh MR, Fitton JH, Lowenthal RM (2007 Jun). "Fucoidan ingestion increases the expression of CXCR4 on human CD34+ cells". Exp Hematol 35

(5) Brandt CT, Lundgren JD, et al. (2003). "Pretreatment with fucoidan promotes lethal infection in a rat model of experimental pneumococcal meningitis". Interscience Conference on Antimicrobial Agents and Chemotherapy

positive environments. You can disagree but please refrain from using the word woo in a group. If you just have to insult people please go to one of the forums.

They are not supposed to provide free advertising for companies and others disseminating fraudulent science and outright falsehood.

The article quoted makes specific scientific claims that are false and I showed them to be false. I have not commented upon other articles in this group though I might have equally strong objections to them.

I didn't see the OP as an advertisement for a single product, but linking to studies for a plant that can be found in just about all Asian food stores. If the OP was advertising for a company, I would have locked this thread. Since it is not, I posted a disclaimer. As for your claim about this group "disseminating fraudulent science and outright falsehood", it is not your call to determine what these are. There is a skeptic group for that, please utilize the self-satisfying atmosphere there. As for the choice of using the word 'woo' in this group, please place the suffix 'Dr.' in front of the word and pretend you misspelled 'who'. Thank you for your cooperation. icymist, host.

It is making specific claims and citing work which does not support the claims made.

If articles appear about the health benefits if arsenic I will post about those as well.

I'm going to be banning you from posting any further in this group. Please read the group's purpose which has been approved by the administration of this web site. If you don't like what we talk about in this group, then you should take it up with those who own this site in the ATA forum.

That was outstanding.

GD over gender issues. Now this. From now, anyone attacking anyone in any group or forum is going on my ignore list. That includes you.

the people attacking others consistently just get banned from DU. It has made me come to DU far less often and I am so glad that our host protected us from further rude banter from this poster in our group.

Thank you icymist!

everything deemed as "woo" by one certain member. Interestingly, every time I posted about the fact that their favorite insult word isn't even a real word, I got crickets in reply. The septics don't like having it shot down.

And thank you, icymist for taking out the trash

to put their head between their knees if they are woozy.

Was it a visit from our regular troll? (I think that's usually one of the incarnations of LibraryGirl.)

and lots of varieties of seaweeds around. I love the bull kelp, but I do harvest some fucoids as well. We have a local biologist who's passion is seaweeds and she has put on workshops showing how and where to gather them sustainably from clean local areas.

I got into seaweed when my TCM health practitioner suggested that I start eating it. So I went to the health food store, bought a bag of the dried kelp, opened it up in the car and had a piece. I didn't put the bag down until it was finished, such was my craving I guess. Now I crumble a piece of it into pretty much everything I cook. You can also just put a piece into your bathwater and absorb the nutrients through your skin.

Its wonderful stuff.

And at the same time it sounds so natural. I've been using Castile soap (which uses seaweed for the soda ash) exclusively for about 8 months now, and I can see the difference in my skin. For a while I had pimples and other signs of the purging of toxins from my skin. I got so enthused I started making my own deodorant. I've always had problems using anything on my underarms without causing lesions and boils. The stuff I made that I'm using now is pretty good too if I must say so myself. And Cinnamon bark oil makes a great smelling deodorant!

- I had to tweak the recipes a few time until I found what works for me.

Another great non-toxic deodorant is colloidal silver. It kills the bacteria which is what makes you smell, and yet has no more effects on the body than plain water. I keep a spray bottle sitting in the bathroom and use it for many things. I spritz it on my face too, especially if I see a zit, which it clears up overnight. Its amazing stuff.

I know CS can be expensive if you buy it in the health food store, but I bought a maker and do my own and now I can afford to pour it into anything I want. The maker has paid for itself many times over.

Thanks for the recipe.

...to making about everything I need as far as I can. But first I have a few small matters to attend to, like being able to stand up for longer than 10 minutes and being able to make it to my mailbox. Oh, and getting rid of a debilitating disease, which I'm now taking CBD for.


- After that, no holds barred....