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Jack Valentino

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Mon Oct 14, 2024, 10:55 PM Oct 14

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walkingman

(8,534 posts)
1. Political violence is never acceptable. I wish he would have a severe stroke and hell was real.
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 11:07 PM
Oct 14

But people like Orange Jesus seem to last forever.....

Jack Valentino

(1,497 posts)
2. Self-defense is ENTIRELY acceptable.
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 11:12 PM
Oct 14

Guess that didn't apply to the German colonel who actually made the attempt---
but it applied to a few million other people who didn't....

"Orange Jesus"? Who is that???




In the case of Claus, it would have to be considered as a 'military action'...

Lunabell

(7,050 posts)
3. Orange Jeebus.
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 11:25 PM
Oct 14

The former president.

Lunabell

(7,050 posts)
4. At this point in time it would not be political violence.
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 11:26 PM
Oct 14

But, a wartime offensive, justifiable in my opinion.

walkingman

(8,534 posts)
6. I'm not saying that it wouldn't be easy to rationalize "political violence" against Trump
Tue Oct 15, 2024, 12:06 AM
Oct 15

but the consequences of that would be toxic to our Democracy. Even if he was eliminated from the political scene, the MAGA ideology would continue. It has always been around in some shape or fashion. In fact, political violence is actually as American as apple pie. But at this point in history I personally think it could spell the end of our Democracy.

As the demographics of the US change, the problem will take care of itself given some time. The changes are inevitable. But assassination of a political leader presents a danger to the very principles of Democracy.

We have very serious problems domestically and internationally and need thoughtful people in charge or we risk the demise our a nation , though quite imperfect, has been the beacon of hope for the entire world for over a century. I just don't think the risk/reward is wise.

Lunabell

(7,050 posts)
7. I was talking about the other guy.
Tue Oct 15, 2024, 02:27 AM
Oct 15

Claus von Stauffenberg. That killing would be a military operation. And justified.

walkingman

(8,534 posts)
9. Sorry, Lunabell, I went totally off topic. It triggered me. ☮
Tue Oct 15, 2024, 09:04 AM
Oct 15

Lunabell

(7,050 posts)
11. Yeah.
Tue Oct 15, 2024, 01:37 PM
Oct 15

No, the orange blobfather does not deserve it at this time... I hope he never gets the chance to deserve it.

DavidDvorkin

(19,944 posts)
5. He was not a believer in democracy, though
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 11:29 PM
Oct 14

He hated Hitler and his gang because they weren't part of the old aristocratic ruling class, like von Stauffenberg. He wanted to reestablish rule by his class.

That would have been better than the Nazis, of course, and his personal courage is indisputable, but it's not clear that, had he succeeded, the war would have ended, or what Germany would have looked like afterwards.

wolfie001

(3,824 posts)
8. Yes!!! He was a supporter until he figured out the Nazis were going to lose the war
Tue Oct 15, 2024, 07:49 AM
Oct 15

People like von Stauffenberg created the dynamic that helped Hitler seize power. VS should never be revered or worshipped. He started a Nazi and died a Nazi.

JustAnotherGen

(33,776 posts)
10. His wife was very
Tue Oct 15, 2024, 12:21 PM
Oct 15

Kind to me when I was a little girl. Mrs. Nina - because I had a lisp and it was just easier!

His wife ended up in a concentration camp after the attempt.

She had a soft spot for the American Special Forces officers and their spouses stationed in West Germany.

Big house I got lost in once . . . she put bells on my shoes the next time we visited. And she had the Concentration Camp tattoo. Asshole I was at 4 years old - What is that?

All of that said - The families of the men left behind paid a huge price for that attempt.

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