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Related: About this forumEveryone Was Wrong About Reverse Osmosis--Until Now
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Diffusion is the flow of a chemical from where it's more concentrated to where it's less concentrated. Think of a drop of dye spreading throughout a glass of water, or the smell of garlic wafting out of a kitchen. It keeps moving toward equilibrium until its concentration is the same everywhere, and it doesnt rely on a pressure difference, like the suction that pulls water through a straw.
The model stuck, but Elimelech always suspected it was wrong. To him, accepting that water diffuses through the membrane implied something strange: that the water scattered into individual molecules as it passed through. How can it be? Elimelech asks. Breaking up clusters of water molecules requires a ton of energy. You almost need to evaporate the water to get it into the membrane.
Still, Hoek says, 20 years ago it was anathema to suggest that it was incorrect. Hoek didnt even dare to use the word pores when talking about reverse osmosis membranes, since the dominant model didnt acknowledge them. For many, many years, he says wryly, I've been calling them interconnected free volume elements.
Over the past 20 years, images taken using advanced microscopes have reinforced Hoek and Elimelechs doubts. Researchers discovered that the plastic polymers used in desalination membranes arent so dense and poreless after all. They actually contain interconnected tunnelsalthough they are absolutely minuscule, peaking at around 5 angstroms in diameter, or half a nanometer. Still, one water molecule is about 1.5 angstroms long, so thats enough room for small clusters of water molecules to squeeze through these cavities, instead of having to go one at a time.
https://www.wired.com/story/everyone-was-wrong-about-reverse-osmosis-until-now/
Response to BootinUp (Original post)
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Farmer-Rick
(11,419 posts)He starts out talking about a drop of dye spreading throughout a cup of water and then a particular odor spreading through the air.
And the next paragraph he talks about water diffusing through a membrane. A different thing.
OK, I see that the whole article is about diffusion through a membrane and this is just a clip out of the middle of the article.
Now it makes sense.
BootinUp
(49,036 posts)Farmer-Rick
(11,419 posts)Interesting science though.
ProfessorGAC
(69,921 posts)I doubted the notion that there were no partition structures in RO membranes, too.
It actually doesn't make sense.
I never did a partition model of RO, but have used the technique.
It's exciting that the conventional wisdom was corrected.
hunter
(38,946 posts)"Few people had thought much about it" would be more accurate.
The simplistic explanation for this kind of osmosis was good enough for the work most people were doing, just as Isaac Newton's laws of motion were good enough to get the Apollo astronauts to the moon and back.
Einstein didn't prove Newton "wrong," he refined the model.
BootinUp
(49,036 posts)then further advances in these types of filters would be slowed. You seem to want to argue against the experts with just your gut.
hunter
(38,946 posts)The actual science is interesting and potentially very valuable.
The Wired article did include a link:
Abstract
We performed nonequilibrium molecular dynamics (NEMD) simulations and solvent permeation experiments to unravel the mechanism of water transport in reverse osmosis (RO) membranes. The NEMD simulations reveal that water transport is driven by a pressure gradient within the membranes, not by a water concentration gradient, in marked contrast to the classic solution-diffusion model. We further show that water molecules travel as clusters through a network of pores that are transiently connected. Permeation experiments with water and organic solvents using polyamide and cellulose triacetate RO membranes showed that solvent permeance depends on the membrane pore size, kinetic diameter of solvent molecules, and solvent viscosity. This observation is not consistent with the solution-diffusion model, where permeance depends on the solvent solubility. Motivated by these observations, we demonstrate that the solution-friction model, in which transport is driven by a pressure gradient, can describe water and solvent transport in RO membranes.
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https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.adf8488
So far as I know that's not behind a paywall as the Wired article is for me.
For now I'm imaging water molecules going through those networks of pores in messy conga lines to the exclusion of other party guests.