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NNadir

(34,533 posts)
Sun Oct 15, 2023, 07:47 AM Oct 2023

Galileo's comet rebuttal

This is from a book review in Science: Galileo’s comet rebuttal

Subtitle:

A foundational text that articulated the modern scientific method turns 400


By Alex Gomez Martin, Science, 12 Oct 2023, Vol 382, Issue 6667 p. 162


It doesn't seem to be open: I'm logged into my account. Some excerpts:

This October marks the 400th anniversary of the publication of The Assayer (Il Saggiatore, in Italian) by Galileo Galilei (1564–1642). A treatise intended to address a major controversy on the nature of three comets observed in Europe in 1618, the book came to represent a major landmark in the history of science. Contained in Galileo’s discussions of “science as a method of demonstration and reasoning capable of human pursuit” is an articulation of the scientific method as we now know it.
Some have “advanced ridiculous and impossible opinions against me,” writes Galileo, dramatically, in the book’s opening, referring specifically to criticisms leveraged by the Jesuit priest and mathematician Orazio Grassi. Writing under the pseudonym Sarsi, in 1619 Grassi had published Libra Astronomica ac Philosophica, which sought to refute Galileo’s claim that the comets could be visual illusions rather than celestial bodies . (Grassi was later proven right.) Thus, “forced to act by this unexpected and uncalled-for treatment,” Galileo continues, “I break my previous resolve to publish no more.”

The Assayer was written as a letter to Virginio Cesarini, an Italian poet and chamberlain to Pope Gregory XV and his successor Pope Urban VIII, to whom Galileo dedicated the book and under whose pontificate the astronomer was trialed 10 years later. It contains, among other prescient observations, a revelatory passage about the mathematical intelligibility of nature. “Philosophy is written in this grand book, the universe, which stands continually open to our gaze,” Galileo writes. “But the book cannot be understood unless one first learns to comprehend the language and read the letters in which it is composed. It is written in the language of mathematics, and its characters are triangles, circles, and other geometric figures without which it is humanly impossible to understand a single word of it; without these, one wanders about in a dark labyrinth...”


I had no idea that Galileo delved into epistemology, but this paragraph indicates he did:

...Galileo also stamped another indelible idea in The Assayer, one with consequences for the study of mind and matter that have percolated through the centuries and continue to affect 21st-century consciousness studies. Toward the end of the book, he writes: “Without the senses as our guides, reason or imagination unaided would probably never arrive at qualities like these. Hence I think that tastes, odors, colors, and so on are no more than mere names so far as the object in which we place them is concerned, and that they reside only in consciousness.” Galileo contrasts the “primary phenomena of motion and touch” with sensations, which he regards as “secondary qualities” with “no real existence save in us.” Having programmatically excluded subjective experience from the purview of science, we are still struggling to untie the Galilean knot that is the hard problem of consciousness...


Finally there is this, which sticks very much in mind in the 21st century with many issues, particularly climate change:

...The book is also an example of epistemic humility in the face of dogmatic opinions, appeals to authority, and the profligacy of logical argumentation. “[W]e must resort to experiments for settling such questions...”


This may be OT, but for climate change the results of our experiments in addressing it are in and it's not pretty:

Week beginning on October 08, 2023: 418.53 ppm
Weekly value from 1 year ago: 415.39 ppm
Weekly value from 10 years ago: 393.58 ppm
Last updated: October 15, 2023


Weekly average CO2 at Mauna Loa
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BootinUp

(48,897 posts)
1. Where would we be without Galileo
Sun Oct 15, 2023, 08:43 AM
Oct 2023

and others like him, that made important discoveries and inventions and arguments in favor of science.

keithbvadu2

(39,907 posts)
2. Much of the commonplace science that we take for granted today was put forth long ago by the old guy
Sun Oct 15, 2023, 10:55 AM
Oct 2023

Much of the commonplace science that we take for granted today was put forth long ago by the old guys at great risk to their reputations and lives.

Finally, in 1992, three years after Galileo Galilei's namesake spacecraft had been launched on its way to Jupiter, the Vatican formally and publicly cleared Galileo of any wrongdoing. Galileo defended heliocentrism, and claimed it was not contrary to those Scripture passages.

Some people today still insist that the moon emits light because the Bible says so.

https://www.google.com/search?q=two+great+lights+bible&sca_esv=573619808&rlz=1C1AWUC_enUS1014US1023&sxsrf=AM9HkKlXm-lpD3XrUT_J3Espca5jfSPJFA%3A1697385066377&ei=agosZf7NFpbk5NoP7N-OoA4&ved=0ahUKEwj-qraPtPiBAxUWMlkFHeyvA-QQ4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=two+great+lights+bible&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiFnR3byBncmVhdCBsaWdodHMgYmlibGUyBBAAGB4yBhAAGAgYHjIIEAAYigUYhgMyCBAAGIoFGIYDSM9CUABYqTFwAHgBkAEAmAHtAaABuQSqAQUyLjEuMbgBA8gBAPgBAcICBRAAGKIEwgIGEAAYHhgN4gMEGAAgQYgGAQ&sclient=gws-wiz-serp

NNadir

(34,533 posts)
3. It is, regrettably, still the case that dogma is applied in the face of observable reality.
Sun Oct 15, 2023, 11:00 AM
Oct 2023

The 21st century is remarkable for very similar phenomena.

I wish I could say that it is restricted to the political right, but it isn't.

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