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Judi Lynn

(162,385 posts)
Wed Feb 7, 2024, 11:05 AM Feb 2024

The Native Americans Before the Native Americans

RAZIB KHAN FEBRUARY 1, 2024



National Park Service/Scientists working to uncover footprints at White Sands National Park field site


In 2021, scientists radiocarbon-dated pollen found in human footprints at the White Sands National Park in New Mexico and came back with dates of greater than 20,000 years. Critics demanded more evidence, and in 2023, using new data and more advanced methods seems to have confirmed the date. Though there are still skeptics, the White Sands discovery is not the only site that dates to the Last Glacial Maximum between 20-26,000 years ago.

For decades, paleoanthropologists believed the ancestors of American natives were a Siberian tribe that came over from Asia to North America just 13,500 years ago, crossing over Beringia, a landmass exposed by sharply reduced sea levels during the last Ice Age. They called these people the Clovis Culture based on distinct spear points first discovered next to the remains of mammoths at a site in New Mexico. The paradigm posited that over 300 years these big game hunters spread across the New World, driving megafauna into extinction and eventually diversifying into the people we know today as Native Americans.

Yet, already 25 years ago, the evidence contradicting this paradigm became quite strong. There were too many sites that predated Clovis by centuries. Monte Verde in Chile, where archaeologists have been excavating since 1977, is extensively documented and is over 1000 years older than Clovis. In Mexico, Chiquihuite Cave has yielded 1900 stone artifacts, and dates were returned as early as 31-33,000 years ago, long before the Last Glacial Maximum. Being more conservative, the researchers at this site are convinced that humans were claiming it 20,000 years ago at the latest. These dates imply that this population, presumably part of the same group that was leaving footprints at White Sands National Park, arrived much earlier because the expansion of the ice sheets beginning 26,000 years ago definitively blocked the interior migration path and would have made a sea-borne route along the western periphery very difficult as glaciers pushed to the edge of the Pacific.

In 2014, geneticists discovered and sequenced the 24,000-year-old remains of a boy who died on the shores of Lake Baikal and concluded that people related to him contributed 10-15% of the ancestry of modern Europeans and 40% of the ancestry of Native Americans. In one fell swoop, earlier anthropological and genetic suspicions of connections between the two populations were explained. Then, in 2015, the same group of geneticists found that some tribes in the Amazon had ancestry which tied them more closely to Australian Aboriginals and Papuans than to Siberians! This seemed to be a crazy result, but follow-up work not only confirms its correctness, but shows that this exotic ancestry is found across the central band of South America, from the coast into the Amazon.

More:
https://www.palladiummag.com/2024/02/01/the-native-americans-before-the-native-americans/

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The Native Americans Before the Native Americans (Original Post) Judi Lynn Feb 2024 OP
Fascinating discoveries Bayard Feb 2024 #1
Thanks for post. riversedge Feb 2024 #2
Oh, Judi. You always have the coolest stuff. How's Punch? jaxexpat Feb 2024 #3
K&R Solly Mack Feb 2024 #4
Fascinating! Thank you for posting it! CaptainTruth Feb 2024 #5
KNR and thank you for this fascinating information. I suspect that, at some niyad Feb 2024 #6
That's what makes science so interesting. You have to be prepared to have your assumptions overturned. erronis Feb 2024 #8
These discoveries are so exciting. pandr32 Feb 2024 #7
Olmecs ? willamette Feb 2024 #9
Great article, willamette! I've stared at those head sculptures in photos repeatedly. Never saw one in scale before now! Judi Lynn Feb 2024 #16
I saw one of the Olmec sculptures willamette Feb 2024 #21
I love orangecrush Feb 2024 #10
I love finding them, orangecrush! Thank you, so much for taking the time. Judi Lynn Feb 2024 #17
My paleontology professor suspected this, 55 years ago. raging moderate Feb 2024 #11
This will give you chills Ponietz Feb 2024 #13
I found it's also available at YouTube. Judi Lynn Feb 2024 #19
¡Hola! Ponietz Feb 2024 #20
His classes must have been excellent. The Americas have never really been "The New World" at all, have they? Judi Lynn Feb 2024 #18
Judi Lynn you are such a jewel! BComplex Feb 2024 #12
I had to come back to this, this morning. 70sEraVet Feb 2024 #14
Aliens! Everybody knows the answer is always aliens. Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2024 #15
There's a genetic tie between some Amazon natives & Australian Aboriginals and Papuans -- I love this Hekate Feb 2024 #22

niyad

(119,939 posts)
6. KNR and thank you for this fascinating information. I suspect that, at some
Wed Feb 7, 2024, 01:00 PM
Feb 2024

point, almost everything we THINK we know from pre-written history, every assumption, will be proven wrong.

erronis

(16,863 posts)
8. That's what makes science so interesting. You have to be prepared to have your assumptions overturned.
Wed Feb 7, 2024, 01:43 PM
Feb 2024

And, I suspect, that is why people of a conservative bent don't like science - they prefer to have known knowns, especially if preached to them.

pandr32

(12,174 posts)
7. These discoveries are so exciting.
Wed Feb 7, 2024, 01:07 PM
Feb 2024

I must say, though--we have changed the stories of humans considerably since I took anthropology classes at university. The exciting part is that there will be more discoveries and we will learn more!

Judi Lynn

(162,385 posts)
16. Great article, willamette! I've stared at those head sculptures in photos repeatedly. Never saw one in scale before now!
Fri Feb 9, 2024, 04:29 PM
Feb 2024

I can't wait until researchers really, really go after learning more about them. Clearly there's so much to learn ahead!

Thank you, so much.

(I have read that in a certain era some Maya considered crossed-eyes intriguing and developed devices to help train them to acquire a semi-crossed affect!)

willamette

(182 posts)
21. I saw one of the Olmec sculptures
Sat Feb 10, 2024, 11:05 PM
Feb 2024

in a museum in Mexico city. I had never even heard about the Olmecs and their strikingly different facial characteristics. There has been a huge controversy about trying to prove that there were never any African settlers in America ~4000 years ago. This spreading of humans around the globe is fascinating.

raging moderate

(4,502 posts)
11. My paleontology professor suspected this, 55 years ago.
Wed Feb 7, 2024, 02:03 PM
Feb 2024

He had done some digging in South America. He said the evidence was not yet very strong, but he suspected something like this had happened.

Judi Lynn

(162,385 posts)
19. I found it's also available at YouTube.
Fri Feb 9, 2024, 05:22 PM
Feb 2024


Really looking forward to watching it this evening. Thank you for sharing it.

Judi Lynn

(162,385 posts)
18. His classes must have been excellent. The Americas have never really been "The New World" at all, have they?
Fri Feb 9, 2024, 04:36 PM
Feb 2024

Thank you for your input.

70sEraVet

(4,145 posts)
14. I had to come back to this, this morning.
Thu Feb 8, 2024, 09:27 AM
Feb 2024

Being tired at the end of the day, is no time to stretch the limits of one's understanding!
Thanks for presenting this to us!

Hekate

(94,682 posts)
22. There's a genetic tie between some Amazon natives & Australian Aboriginals and Papuans -- I love this
Tue Feb 13, 2024, 02:07 AM
Feb 2024

I absolutely love this. I have long wondered about the features of the Olmec heads — they didn’t quite look African to me, and at the same time, among the many people of Mexican descent in SoCal, I have never seen an approximation of those features. Now I read that it just depends on where you look (as in quite a bit further South) — and that DNA confirms it.

I really should remember to drop in here more often, rather than obsessing about politics.

Thank you!





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