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Judi Lynn

(162,374 posts)
Wed Oct 2, 2024, 03:19 AM Oct 2

Scientists find a new Neanderthal population that stayed completely isolated for 50,000 years

Something like this would seem unimaginable for our Homo sapiens species.

Mihai AndreibyMihai Andrei September 13, 2024 in Anthropology, Archaeology, News Reading Time: 6 mins read
Edited and reviewed by Zoe Gordon


As if Neanderthals weren’t already mysterious enough, a new study adds a new layer to our understanding of Neanderthal populations. Apparently, some of them lived in genetic and social isolation for more than 50,000 years. The groundbreaking research, conducted on a Neanderthal individual discovered in Grotte Mandrin in Mediterranean France, uncovers genetic divergence and highlights the role of isolation in the disappearance of Neanderthals.

The Grotte Mandrin Neanderthals
The Grotte Mandrin rock shelter in southern France has long been a treasure trove for archaeologists. It contains multiple sedimentary layers spanning tens of thousands of years, preserving the history of both Neanderthals and early modern humans. In 2015, during an excavation at the site, a remarkable find was made: the partial remains of a Neanderthal individual. He was dubbed “Thorin,” a reference to a Tolkien character in the Lord of the Rings universe. This Neanderthal is among the most well-preserved individuals found in France.

Thorin’s remains, including cranial and dental fragments, date back to approximately 50,000 years ago. The site’s rich archaeological context provided evidence that Thorin lived during the final millennia of Neanderthal existence. But it wasn’t just the discovery of Thorin’s remains that intrigued researchers. What made this find particularly significant was the genetic data recovered from his teeth. They revealed a story of long-term isolation that had not been previously documented in late Neanderthal populations.

“The Thorin population spent 50,000 years without exchanging genes with other Neanderthal populations,” says co-first author and discoverer of Thorin, Ludovic Slimak, CNRS researcher of Université Toulouse III – Paul Sabatier.
It’s not like this population was living far away from others either, says Slimak.

More:
https://www.zmescience.com/science/news-science/neanderthals-isolated-12092024/

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Scientists find a new Neanderthal population that stayed completely isolated for 50,000 years (Original Post) Judi Lynn Oct 2 OP
This is fascinating... hlthe2b Oct 2 #1
Same here! DFW Oct 2 #3
I thought this was going to be about a Trump rally! Tanuki Oct 2 #2
I must admit I thought the same thing! japple Oct 2 #4
That is the common association made EYESORE 9001 Oct 2 #5

DFW

(56,513 posts)
3. Same here!
Wed Oct 2, 2024, 05:51 AM
Oct 2

I live about a 20 minute drive from the Neander Stream Valley site where the the existence of these hominids was first discovered—rediscovered, really—in modern times. There is now a large and informative museum at the Neander Valley (German: Neandertal) discovery site. My wife and I had the pleasure of escorting California Peggy and Lionel Mandrake there when they came to visit us several years ago.

EYESORE 9001

(27,514 posts)
5. That is the common association made
Wed Oct 2, 2024, 06:24 AM
Oct 2

It’s good to remember that Neanderthal genes are walking around today in the form of modern humans. They’re no less significant in the foundation of modern humanity than any other homo species.

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