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Judi Lynn

(162,379 posts)
Mon Jan 23, 2023, 05:04 AM Jan 2023

THE OLDEST PAINTINGS EVER FOUND ON EARTH WERE NOT MADE BY HUMANS -- RESEARCH

PAUL PETTITT AND THE CONVERSATION
17 HOURS AGO

Neanderthals were producing non-figurative art tens of millennia before the arrival of Homo sapiens in Europe.

ONE OF THE most hotly debated questions in the history of Neanderthal research has been whether they created art. In the past few years, the consensus has become that they did, sometimes. But, like their relations at either end of the hominoid evolutionary tree, chimpanzees and Homo sapiens, Neanderthals’ behavior varied culturally from group to group and over time.

Their art was perhaps more abstract than the stereotypical figure and animal cave paintings Homo sapiens made after the Neanderthals disappeared about 30,000 years ago. But archaeologists are beginning to appreciate how creative Neanderthal art was in its own right.

Homo sapiens are thought to have evolved in Africa at least 315,000 years ago. Neanderthal populations in Europe have been traced back at least 400,000 years.

As early as 250,000 years ago, Neanderthals were mixing minerals such as haematite (ochre) and manganese with fluids to make red and black paints — presumably to decorate the body and clothing.

More:
https://www.inverse.com/science/oldest-art

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THE OLDEST PAINTINGS EVER FOUND ON EARTH WERE NOT MADE BY HUMANS -- RESEARCH (Original Post) Judi Lynn Jan 2023 OP
So . . . Neanderthals were not human? Aussie105 Jan 2023 #1
I had the same thought. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2023 #2
Are Neanderthals classified as humans? billh58 Jan 2023 #4
I thought the Neanderthals were human. ShazzieB Jan 2023 #5
Sapiens, Neanderthal, Denisovan, and wnylib Jan 2023 #11
Ah, thanks! ShazzieB Jan 2023 #13
My anthro classes were years ago, too, but wnylib Jan 2023 #14
Hmm. Marcuse Jan 2023 #15
+1 2naSalit Jan 2023 #7
That's my take on it, too. wnylib Jan 2023 #10
The clickbait is strong with this one. nt BWdem4life Jan 2023 #12
The original headline at Inverse.com should say "... by Neaderthals" Tetrachloride Jan 2023 #3
True. ShazzieB Jan 2023 #6
Studies have shown they became extinct because they didn't vote. twodogsbarking Jan 2023 #8
glad to see so many quickly on the correction. stopdiggin Jan 2023 #9
Homo-neanderthalensis were in fact human AresM Jan 2023 #16
welcome to DU gopiscrap Feb 2023 #17

Aussie105

(6,260 posts)
1. So . . . Neanderthals were not human?
Mon Jan 23, 2023, 05:41 AM
Jan 2023

Most of us carry Neanderthal genes in our genome.

A lot of members of the Homo genus existed long ago. One group, Homo sapiens, were the most successful.

The other groups didn't die out, they were amalgamated into Homo sapiens.

billh58

(6,641 posts)
4. Are Neanderthals classified as humans?
Mon Jan 23, 2023, 06:38 AM
Jan 2023
Yes. Neanderthals (Homo neanderthalensis) were archaic humans who emerged at least 200,000 years ago and died out perhaps between 35,000 and 24,000 years ago. They manufactured and used tools (including blades, awls, and sharpening instruments), developed a spoken language, and developed a rich culture that involved hearth construction, traditional medicine, and the burial of their dead. Neanderthals also created art; evidence shows that some painted with naturally occurring pigments. In the end, Neanderthals were likely replaced by modern humans (H. sapiens), but not before some members of these species bred with one another where their ranges overlapped.

https://www.britannica.com/question/Are-Neanderthals-classified-as-humans


ShazzieB

(18,656 posts)
5. I thought the Neanderthals were human.
Mon Jan 23, 2023, 06:42 AM
Jan 2023

They were homo sapiens neanderthalensis, and we're homo sapiens sapiens; two different subspecies of homo sapiens, and therefore all human.

wnylib

(24,389 posts)
11. Sapiens, Neanderthal, Denisovan, and
Mon Jan 23, 2023, 10:10 AM
Jan 2023

Heidelbergensis all descend from Homo erectus. We have a common ancestor and are referred to as hominids or as hominins, indicating that all these groups are closer to humans than to our much older relatives like australopithicines who did not even walk upright.

There are disagreements among scientists about whether or not Neanderthal should be called Sapiens. Neanderthal and Denisovan were very closely related. Denisovan is considered an offshoot of Neanderthal, so if Neanderthal is Homo sapiens, so is Denisovan.

Here's an article about it.

https://www.nhm.ac.uk/discover/are-neanderthals-same-species-as-us.html




ShazzieB

(18,656 posts)
13. Ah, thanks!
Mon Jan 23, 2023, 03:17 PM
Jan 2023

I took anthropology decades ago, and there have been so many new discoveries and developments that I haven't kept up with. This is going to be a big help!

wnylib

(24,389 posts)
14. My anthro classes were years ago, too, but
Mon Jan 23, 2023, 05:57 PM
Jan 2023

I have followed devopments in two of my greatest areas of interest, human evolution and the first people in the Americas, followed by language families and the cultural-linguistic groups of people associated with them.

I would have majored in anthro if I had started my studies earlier in life. Since I started them later, I majored in a modern foreign language and minored in anthro, but anthropology still intrigues me.



AresM

(1 post)
16. Homo-neanderthalensis were in fact human
Tue Jan 24, 2023, 03:15 PM
Jan 2023

The headline doesn't work. It is incorrect. Homo means hominid and that means human. Homo-sapiens means "Wise Human". The first major neanderthal find was in Neander Valley in Germany. Tal is the german word for Valley. So Homo-neanderthalensis means "Human from Neander Valley".

The headline should be changed to match the one written by the original author Paul Pettitt or should be reworded to say, "...were not made by 'modern' humans".

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