WHY THE FUCK DO PROGRESSIVES SUPPORT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH WHEN IT PROPAGATES SO MANY REGRESSIVE POLICIES?

Sorry for the shouting, but it's become increasingly obvious that there are certain Progressives that put their church about human rights. And in my eyes that makes them a not-Progressive.

You'll see the arguments here, by otherwise SOLID DEMOCRAT LIBERAL LEFTIST MORE PROGRESSIVER THAN YOU! posters. Yeah, abortion rights are important but really, what's the harm in someregulation and really who can go four months without realizing they're pregnant and is it that much of a hassle to not have an abortion provider in your town and besides it's really easy to use condoms I mean I used condoms and I never got pregnant so I really don't see what the big deal is.

You see the arguments with birth control being covered by insurance---well just go elsewhere to get it and anyways planned parenthood is free and what's the big deal I went to the free clinic when I was 17 in 1969 so what's the big deal?

I see this with many people I work with who are older, like baby-boomer age, past menopause, past the age of being willing to father a child and it's the "Oh, well back in MY day you had to be careful and think about these things and these free clinics and abortions on demand I mean it just perpetuates this notion that you don't have to THINK about things so while *I*was able to get free birth control and abortion on demand THINGS ARE DIFFERENT NOW THAT I'M 60 and I just don't think that young people should have reproductive freedom because they haven't earned the right to fuck without consequence because back when *I* was a young person the worst thing you got was Herpes and now there's the AIDS and the Warts and young people just need to think about their future more than I did."

It's this ridiculous circular argument. THEY had it, but they don't want anyone ELSE to have it. When THEY needed it, it was because it was needed. When someone needs it now it's because they're being UNCAREFUL and WANTON and NO PLANNING and all this ridiculous shit. I have to take birth control whether I fuck my husband once a year or once an hour. The frequency of fornication does not determine the amount of birth control I have to take. I don't take 1 pill a day and a prostitute takes 18.

But that's the notion. Sex is dirty, especially the older you get. Young people shouldn't have sex because the old people had all the young people sex that needed to be had when they were young. We have to learn from their sexual freedom, and just keep our legs crossed and don't let that aspirin fall from between your knees and that's all the Birth Control you need.

Oh yeah! And GOTV! Even though we don't give a shit about your reproductive freedoms except in some vague, esoteric "democrats are for it, and I'm for regulation" way, but when butter hits the bread, only whores get abortions and only sluts take the pill, so think about that, you young whippersnappers.

Long rambling story short---they support the church because they really do, deep down inside, voting D at the booth aside, agree with the church on these matters.

When someone needs it now it's because they're being UNCAREFUL and WONTON . They are called Asian Americans!


(disclaimer - this is a joke about a typo)

had wonton wrappers on the mind.

Corrected, and now it's snack time

about Hobby Lobby.

I was like WTF lady! Up to this point I thought she was fairly sensible. But then she blabbered on about religious freedumb and I wanted to take up heavy drinking.

and although I know that you didn't post this for sympathy, I want you to know that I'm very sorry that you had to go through this.

I'm only 38, so I'm not ready for the old hysterectomy. And while I'm not yet sure if I want kids (husband isn't either), I like the idea of preserving my fertility as long as I can, so I'm really trying to put off the ablation thing.

But goddamn, maxi-pads are expensive. Even at Costo. And I'm going through 36+a week.....

I should have bought stock in Kotex.

Oh--here's a joke

What do you do when your kotex catches on fire?





















throw it on the floor and tampon it.



get it?

tampon it?

stamp on it??

???????????????????????

tap
tap
tap

is this thing on?

They should all have jokes or fun facts, like Bazooka bubblegum or Snapple.

inevitably it will, but hopefully not all, and you will be able to change some minds.

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they tend to have a wife with a vagina, and a uterus and ovaries.
They tend to have an adult daughter. A daughter with a vagina and a uterus and ovaries.

Which goes back to the feeling that it's not an issue of not knowing. It's an issue of NOT CARING.

It's about having deeply held beliefs that dirty girls use birth control. Clean girls don't. Birth control is for fucking, and good girls don't fuck. Therefore, who cares what pills a whore needs, because who cares about whores and their needs?

That's the only explanation. Callous disregard for the needs of 52% of the population. He was born from one (ew yucky! vagina!), and is married to one, and has participated in the creation of one. But he doesn't care about them. Not one whit. Otherwise, he wouldn't have THOUGHT (much less said, and defended repeatedly) the 'go to the 7/11 and buy rubbers" comment.

People who say that are like Rush Limbaugh. Women "problems" means vagina "problems" and we all know the only problem a vagina has is not getting enough winkie. heh heh heh. Chuckle chuckle chuckle.

The fuckwad who made the 7-11 remark can go fuck his bigoted, sexist, homophobic self.

So can all the fuckwads who support him over us horrible, terrible "anti-theists" who have the NERVE to criticize religious institutions that fight against the rights of others.

It's hard to imagine that level of pain, and bleeding, and inconvenience.

I hope you can find something that works for you so you can have some peace and enjoy life a little.

The IUD is, of course, is one of the "birth control" methods covered under the Hobby Lobby decision. Because an IUD doesn't keep your from ovulating, so a fertilized egg could find itself in hostile terrain and it's our duty as women to provide the most welcoming environment in our uterus to whatever little zygote finds its way down the tube.

I have tried telling some of these assholes that "birth control" pills and patches and rings and IUDS are not just for birth control. And NO ONE should get a say in which medications I take except for me and my doctor. Not my employer, not my health insurance company, not the government.

I'm absolutely floored when I see a Democratic (well, they claim to be) say that they are OK with the RCC imposing these restrictions on "birth control". There have been several times in my life that I have had to be on "birth control" to control something other than birth - PCOS, irregular periods, heavy, painful periods, etc. My oldest daughter also has PCOS and has had to use "birth control" to help regulate the side effects of too much testosterone.

(On a side note... I am sorry you are dealing with this. I really hope that the IUD works for you so that you do have some choices. Having all choice taken away from you is really tough. Even if you choose not to have a child... at least that will be your choice and not something that happened to you. {hugs})

It's all just a merry coincidence.

(by pointing out the misogyny and homophobia in religion, natch) and just take the "tolerant" approach of "It doesn't affect me personally, so why should I care?" then all would be great!

Y'see it's just a pill you take.... or something. Like aspirin!

People who don't seem to come away with a general view of what science....all science.... shows us just think it's as easy as taking a pill. Kinda like anti-choice people who just think that the egg gets fertilized (somehow....) and then it's just a "baby"!

Science shows us that EVERYTHING is way more complex than you can imagine, and way more interconnected than you can POSSIBLY imagine. People who don't "do" science never think things thru. After taking some pill.... it just works. Right? Kinda like saying "god did it" when it comes to complex and mind boggling things.... like evolution or sex.

The callousness by which situations like yours are overlooked, compound my outrage. Bad enough that in this day and age, churches with religious proscription against contraceptives are working to undermine the ACA in the courts, based on their religious faith, bad enough that...


But in doing so, they actually go one worse, because they completely pretend you don't exist. Or, perhaps, to them, you are acceptable collateral damage. Whichever it is, it's vile.

I hope you'll consider cross posting this for a wider audience. It's a damn shame that on a supposedly progressive forum we still have to explain these issues. Not only that, but be made to feel as if we have to give a kindly pat on the head to those who oppose choice and/or contraception, all in the name of providing a "big tent". Fuck that. If you don't support a woman's right to the autonomy of her own body, there's another tent for you -- it's called the Republican Party.

Thanks again for sharing your experience with us.

I am not completely familar with your medical issue, basically it's my first time hearing about. This issue.

So forgive my suggestion, but
3 years ago I switched from using tampons and pads to the Diva Cup. I notice after about a year of using it, I didn't get cramps anymore. I have discovered many users of the Diva cup say their cramps stopped after using the cup for a while.

The best one to get is the larger volume cup. And I know a blood collection cup sounds gross, I have found it to be a much cleaner and more sanitary option over using pads and tampons

The chemicals they use in those pads and tampons could be making your issue worse TSS is a proven side effect of Tampon useage who knows maybe the pads are also causing you more of a problem than they are helping.

Good luck Dear, girlie issues suck ass!

For newbies who haven't heard this - a woman who helped raise me had an abortion when she was very young.

If you're a younger person who takes reproductive rights for granted, you might want to ponder the rest of her story: this happened in the Deep South, a long time ago. When not only doctors who did abortions could be prosecuted, but any doctor who helped a woman after an abortion could also go to jail.

So my relative, young. scared and bleeding out in a taxi, was turned away by several doctors. She finally found one brave and sympathetic doctor who saved her life. At the risk of his own career and possibly his life, in that time and place. The relative who told me this story charmingly referred to him as "that n-----r doctor."

That's why I won't budge on this issue. Just like the famous liberal who said: &quot Abortion is) a decision that’s up to the pregnant woman, not up to the Pope or some do-gooders or the Religious Right."

Oh sorry. That weren't no Progressive Lib'rul Xian who said that. That was Barry Goldwater, formerly known as "Mr. Conservative."