Welcome to DU!
The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards.
Join the community:
Create a free account
Support DU (and get rid of ads!):
Become a Star Member
Latest Breaking News
Editorials & Other Articles
General Discussion
The DU Lounge
All Forums
Issue Forums
Culture Forums
Alliance Forums
Region Forums
Support Forums
Help & Search
Atheists & Agnostics
Related: About this forumThe big Islamophobia lie: A shameful new assault on Charlie Hebdo
Sorry if this was posted before, I don't remember seeing it. But it's a great article about how critics of religion are silenced so that their criticisms don't have to be addressed.
http://www.salon.com/2015/03/29/the_big_islamophobia_lie_a_shameful_new_assault_on_charlie_hebdo/
This year the IHRC (Islamic Human Rights Commission) saw fit to offend not just good taste, however, but the very notion of human decency. Just a month after the Charlie Hebdo massacre in Paris, the IHRC gave the aggrieved survivors of the satirical magazines staff their Islamophobe of the Year award for 2015. Four thousand votes were cast to determine the winner. Even by the standards of the faith-addled, this was repugnant.
IHRC Chairman Massoud Shadjareh apparently suffered a bout of aphasia as he sputtered out a justification for the selection. Try to parse this: If you are saying that satire should be disassociated from Islamphobic attacks, then surely satire can also be disassociated from the attacks [on Hebdo]. Without a hint of irony, but a little more comprehensibly, if disingenuously, Shadjareh added that The reality is that this is a satirical thing and if people think Muslims should be on the receiving end of satire, then why cannot Muslims give it, too? The point made against Muslims regularly is that they do not have a sense of honour; they are portrayed as being dry and angry, but we have a sense of humour and we can give it back. Though he called the Paris massacre barbaric, he also held the magazine accountable for the lethal violence erupting during the anti-cartoon protest marches in the Islamic world. The award, said the IHRC, was intended to be understood as tongue in cheek.
...
In other Salon essays (see here, for example), Ive denounced the semantic mud pie to which the noun Islamophobia amounts. The vogue term, with its echoes of mental illness and shame, should really be placed in quotation marks whenever used, or, far better, discarded as deleterious to rational discourse. In free societies, those who object to canonical Islam to its universalist claims, to its explicit injunctions to commit violence against unbelievers, to its inherent misogyny must have every right to air their opinions without fear of reprisal in the public square. (I am not suggesting by any means that all Muslims are prone to violence, but the extremists are determining the conversation.) Such opinions may, yes, cause offense to some Muslims (and to quite a few progressives beholden not to honest debate, but to PC speech codes), but so be it. Our right to discuss one of the most critical issues of our time has to trump the tender sensibilities of one or another group. There can be no compromise here, especially under threat of violence.
Nonetheless, the term Islamophobia is accepted, no doubt on account of the misguided postmodernists and post-structuralists who generally lead the medias debate about religion. By holding that texts dont mean what they mean, but are to be interpreted as mirrors for gender, race, age and power biases, plus, of course, our own needs of the moment, we lose the ability to comprehend them. The vast majority of Muslims in the rest of the world, however, remain untainted by postmodernism and accept the Quran as the word of God, and believe that it should be taken literally. ISIS assassins citing the Qurans verses 8:12 or 47:4 as they behead their hostages are acting with scriptural sanction. Quoting Derrida or Foucault to an Islamist guerrilla wielding a sword above your head would be as ineffective as it would be presumptuous. Who are we to tell an ISIS executioner following commands inscribed in the Quran that he is distorting his religion? On what canonical grounds? If people are explicitly stating their motives, best to take them at their word. Otherwise, we risk becoming their apologists and losing our heads, literally.
IHRC Chairman Massoud Shadjareh apparently suffered a bout of aphasia as he sputtered out a justification for the selection. Try to parse this: If you are saying that satire should be disassociated from Islamphobic attacks, then surely satire can also be disassociated from the attacks [on Hebdo]. Without a hint of irony, but a little more comprehensibly, if disingenuously, Shadjareh added that The reality is that this is a satirical thing and if people think Muslims should be on the receiving end of satire, then why cannot Muslims give it, too? The point made against Muslims regularly is that they do not have a sense of honour; they are portrayed as being dry and angry, but we have a sense of humour and we can give it back. Though he called the Paris massacre barbaric, he also held the magazine accountable for the lethal violence erupting during the anti-cartoon protest marches in the Islamic world. The award, said the IHRC, was intended to be understood as tongue in cheek.
...
In other Salon essays (see here, for example), Ive denounced the semantic mud pie to which the noun Islamophobia amounts. The vogue term, with its echoes of mental illness and shame, should really be placed in quotation marks whenever used, or, far better, discarded as deleterious to rational discourse. In free societies, those who object to canonical Islam to its universalist claims, to its explicit injunctions to commit violence against unbelievers, to its inherent misogyny must have every right to air their opinions without fear of reprisal in the public square. (I am not suggesting by any means that all Muslims are prone to violence, but the extremists are determining the conversation.) Such opinions may, yes, cause offense to some Muslims (and to quite a few progressives beholden not to honest debate, but to PC speech codes), but so be it. Our right to discuss one of the most critical issues of our time has to trump the tender sensibilities of one or another group. There can be no compromise here, especially under threat of violence.
Nonetheless, the term Islamophobia is accepted, no doubt on account of the misguided postmodernists and post-structuralists who generally lead the medias debate about religion. By holding that texts dont mean what they mean, but are to be interpreted as mirrors for gender, race, age and power biases, plus, of course, our own needs of the moment, we lose the ability to comprehend them. The vast majority of Muslims in the rest of the world, however, remain untainted by postmodernism and accept the Quran as the word of God, and believe that it should be taken literally. ISIS assassins citing the Qurans verses 8:12 or 47:4 as they behead their hostages are acting with scriptural sanction. Quoting Derrida or Foucault to an Islamist guerrilla wielding a sword above your head would be as ineffective as it would be presumptuous. Who are we to tell an ISIS executioner following commands inscribed in the Quran that he is distorting his religion? On what canonical grounds? If people are explicitly stating their motives, best to take them at their word. Otherwise, we risk becoming their apologists and losing our heads, literally.
InfoView thread info, including edit history
TrashPut this thread in your Trash Can (My DU » Trash Can)
BookmarkAdd this thread to your Bookmarks (My DU » Bookmarks)
4 replies, 1247 views
ShareGet links to this post and/or share on social media
AlertAlert this post for a rule violation
PowersThere are no powers you can use on this post
EditCannot edit other people's posts
ReplyReply to this post
EditCannot edit other people's posts
Rec (9)
ReplyReply to this post
4 replies
= new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight:
NoneDon't highlight anything
5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
The big Islamophobia lie: A shameful new assault on Charlie Hebdo (Original Post)
trotsky
Apr 2015
OP
There was an asshole right here on DU calling CH names, like 'bigot' and suggesting they
AtheistCrusader
Apr 2015
#3
They started it all over again after Gary Trudeau joined in the victim blaming.
beam me up scottie
Apr 2015
#4
onager
(9,356 posts)1. Bigot! Hater! BUMP!
This bears repeating too:
Ironically, the use of the noun Islamophobia jibes perfectly with the Islamic tradition of dividing the world into Dar al-Harb (the abode of war, where Muslims are to battle infidels) and Dar al-Islam (the abode of Islam, where all is well).
Islamophobia conflates (impermanent) faith with (permanent) race, making criticism of one prejudice against both. Those who hold that a believers faith is as immutable as his or her race fail to see that the believers of today can become, with a bit of well-crafted free speech, the atheists of tomorrow. This is why free speech is and will always be the enemy of Islam and all revealed religion.
Islamophobia conflates (impermanent) faith with (permanent) race, making criticism of one prejudice against both. Those who hold that a believers faith is as immutable as his or her race fail to see that the believers of today can become, with a bit of well-crafted free speech, the atheists of tomorrow. This is why free speech is and will always be the enemy of Islam and all revealed religion.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)2. Yes, yes, a thousand times, yes.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)3. There was an asshole right here on DU calling CH names, like 'bigot' and suggesting they
were responsible for the attack. He's still allowed to post here, for some strange reason.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)4. They started it all over again after Gary Trudeau joined in the victim blaming.
Got 17 recs in GD yesterday.