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(thinking out loud here, just for the sake of discussion)
... recently, I found myself ruminating on an intriguing legal concept: Statutory Spiritualism.
The concept was formed from a conflation of Dawkin's meme that children should not be viewed or labeled by the religion of their parents any more than they should be labeled by their parent political views and the idea that children cannot legally consent to some actions that are (universally?) reserved for adults only.
While it is perfectly acceptable, and somewhat routine, for an adult to reject a particular political or religious point of view or to switch to a different version, as they please, children do not have that luxury. They are forced to conform to the wishes and conventions (against their will?) of their adult parents/guardians. How many children change or switch or drop their parent-imposed religion upon reaching adulthood? How many children are directly harmed either emotionally or physically by the religion of their parents?
So why should society not create Statutory Spiritualism laws? Make it a societal requirement that only adults shall be subject to the spirituality of their choice. Is it immoral/unethical to force a child into the religion of their parents? There are many adult only actions/options where it would be immoral/unethical/illegal to force a child to participate in, so why not this?
Extending the idea being that individuals under the age of the majority are incapable (within a legal framework) of providing consent for various "adult" activities, sometimes illegal even with parental/guardian approval, to include the realm of spirituality.
Thoughts/Comments?
bvf
(6,604 posts)of this intriguing idea would be the question of schooling.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)or science. Bringing up children to believe a religion uncritically is unfortunate, but the bottom line is, there would be no way to enforce a law like that. It just needs to be something that we as a society learn to accept over time as part of a new norm.
The better angle, I think, is to pursue educational standards that encourage critical thinking, empowering children with the tools to reject their religion when they reach an age where they can do so.
NeoGreen
(4,033 posts)...enforcement would be "problematic" and I have not contemplated even the simplest response to that question.
But in response to the idea that Math and Science would be "lumped in", I would ask, show the harm.
Easy enough to do with enforced spirituality, I would presume, not so much with general education.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Very problematic. There is a particularly prolific scolder in another group here on DU who loves to think the world is so nice and black and white where every religious belief is fine as long as it doesn't "harm." And c'mon you guys, can't you just leave religion alone?
But it's not that simple. Who gets to define "harm"? After all, the anti-choicers think that abortion murders a human being. Clearly they would define abortion as harm! So should abortion be illegal? Are religious beliefs that accept abortion causing harm?
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)Math causes and you have the harm there...
nil desperandum
(654 posts)as most religion is there is no acceptable method for this to be implemented without a direct assault on yet another of our Bill of Rights Protections.
Parents indoctrinate their children all the time including politically, some kids rebel away to be sure but others find their parents politics to be quite acceptable regardless of which side of the aisle they are on.
I do not believe this is appropriate for our legal system any more than I believe I need the government's instructions on a proper way to raise children.
My children attended college, served their nation, one runs his own business and the other is a senior executive in her company all without any government assistance in protecting their spirituality or lack thereof. The government actually teaching science and not religion would be a great start, this idiotic intelligent design should be eliminated immediately. Government teaches that which can be proven with evidence, parents teach the other stuff for good or ill, that's how it should be in my opinion. YMMV as it most certainly should.
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)to their children. Even if you were to make it "illegal", this would be done behind closed doors. It actually has been done in the past with Jews who were so persecuted that they "converted" to Catholicism to survive, but still kept the Jewish traditions alive in their homes. In fact, persecution is probably the best way to make people stick closer to their religion.
In the church that I was raised, you were not baptized until you were 13---the age of consent to the church. Other sects, like the Amish, actually do what you are suggesting in spirit.....the children are not members of the church until they reach adulthood and can decide whether they want to stay or not.
But making this a statutory offense would open a can of worms that no one wants to see opened. It would just give the religious more of a cause.
LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)There is a wall between state and religion that must be upheld. Parenting choices in things religious should be left on the other side of that wall, as unfortunate as that choice may be for the indoctrinated child.
NeoGreen
(4,033 posts)...and commentary.
Much appreciated critique of my morning commute derived thought of the day...
Which obviously needs some work, if not proper filing into the trash can.
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)and building critical thinking and problem solving skills in schools, instead of just being forced babysitters between tests. That will help this problem, and build a more well rounded citizenry.