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beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
Sat Apr 25, 2015, 05:51 PM Apr 2015

Why do we let New Atheists and religious zealots dominate the conversation about religion?

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Stop being humorless, dogmatic and extremely defensive
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We're on the same side as you, stop alienating us
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Why are you so angry?
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Join Hands & Sing Kumbaya
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Why do you hate Michelle Obama?
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It's time to put down the swords and side with Those People Who Compare Us to Murderers
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You look like you could use some counseling and/or prayer
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Shut up bmus, you're just like people who kill cartoonists, blow up women's clinics and stone gay people to death
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You're not a high school girl. What's your reason?
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Dawiknz!
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Why do we let New Atheists and religious zealots dominate the conversation about religion? (Original Post) beam me up scottie Apr 2015 OP
If only the atheists and religious nuts would shut up, deucemagnet Apr 2015 #1
Why are you so defensive? beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #2
Oh, it's just my nature as an atheist. deucemagnet Apr 2015 #3
Me too. beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #5
because stalin. Warren Stupidity Apr 2015 #6
"creamy nougat center" bvf Apr 2015 #10
Ha! deucemagnet Apr 2015 #11
How do we know which ones practice Authentic™ religion? beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #12
It doesn't matter. deucemagnet Apr 2015 #13
Hypocrisy. beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #14
Pray on it. PassingFair Apr 2015 #23
BUT I CAN'T..... beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #29
It's true - you can see it, mr blur Apr 2015 #19
LOL trotsky Apr 2015 #63
where is the "because I'm a high school girl" option? Warren Stupidity Apr 2015 #4
It's right near the fucking bottom. What the fuck is wrong with you? beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #7
you zealots do this all the time Warren Stupidity Apr 2015 #8
I blame the parents. beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #9
The answer is always!! 1!daswikieins!*! Rainforestgoddess Apr 2015 #15
I guess I could have combined them... beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #16
Ok, what IS the proper combination???? NeoGreen Apr 2015 #18
Those are worthy of their own poll! beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #30
As a newbie to this group.... Novara Apr 2015 #17
I'm a grouchy old A&A vet and even I don't know what the high school girl thing is EvolveOrConvolve Apr 2015 #25
Ah. That helps. Thank you. Novara Apr 2015 #26
It won't take long. bvf Apr 2015 #59
Those are all either real responses we've received on DU beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #32
Because the alternative is skepticscott Apr 2015 #20
Stop ruining everything scott. beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #33
Never mind... mr blur Apr 2015 #21
I think they get a tent in their pants when they do it. beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #35
Dammit! Where's the "Join Hands & Sing Kumbaya" option? onager Apr 2015 #22
Fixed it for you. beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #27
Aw thanks! onager Apr 2015 #60
Not as humorless, dogmatic and extremely defensive as the original op. beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #61
The bigger question is why do you hate Michelle Obama? EvolveOrConvolve Apr 2015 #24
Why, for the same reasons I hate transparency, silly. beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #28
Well duh, doesn't atheist = Nazi? EvolveOrConvolve Apr 2015 #31
Did you know PeaceNikki stole baby Jesus from the fridge? beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #34
Hmmmmm.... EvolveOrConvolve Apr 2015 #36
I am offended, sir. beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #41
WELL HELL YOU CAME TO THE RIGHT PLACE Heddi Apr 2015 #44
I had no idea I was in the company of greatness. beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #47
I'd love to tell you but the answer is in my new book Heddi Apr 2015 #50
I have! beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #53
But are you a pottery expert too? trotsky Apr 2015 #64
OH ho! Someone must've touched a nerve! Heddi Apr 2015 #37
Oh, Heddi, can I please please please be an apeshitist too? beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #39
Yes. Words mean what YOU want them to mean Heddi Apr 2015 #43
So when you say you suffer fools gladly it's true too? beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #51
It is true. I love fools Heddi Apr 2015 #58
Yo Dawg! Heddi Apr 2015 #38
Oh noes! My fee fees. beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #40
Fee fees. Nothing more than fee-fees Heddi Apr 2015 #42
Stealing that one. beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #45
I've been procrastinating this horse-shit assignment all week Heddi Apr 2015 #46
Stupid professors. beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #48
I'm in a class of people who use the word "don'tn't" Heddi Apr 2015 #49
Another Gem on colonial taxation Heddi Apr 2015 #52
Oh dear. beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #54
I wish I was there with you, what fun! beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #55
I keep asking myself what the fuck is wrong with America EvolveOrConvolve Apr 2015 #56
They may very well still be in high school Heddi Apr 2015 #57
Ouch nil desperandum Apr 2015 #65
Can't be a woman? Crap. OK, maybe you can be... onager Apr 2015 #62

deucemagnet

(4,549 posts)
1. If only the atheists and religious nuts would shut up,
Sat Apr 25, 2015, 06:13 PM
Apr 2015

then the enlightened liberal religionists could have Serious Theological Discussions(tm). The only problem is that after they congratulate themselves for respecting each other's beliefs, there's not much left to say.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
2. Why are you so defensive?
Sat Apr 25, 2015, 06:15 PM
Apr 2015

I mean just because our "allies" compare vocal atheists to religious zealots who kill cartoonists, blow up womens' clinics and stone gay people to death?

What is wrong with you?

We're on the same side, dammit!

deucemagnet

(4,549 posts)
3. Oh, it's just my nature as an atheist.
Sat Apr 25, 2015, 06:46 PM
Apr 2015

Angry, defensive, foaming at the mouth, always spoiling for a fight and just as bad as the fundamentalist bastards at the other extreme who lop peoples' heads off. Obviously, the most reasonable people are the liberal believers in the middle (just ask them). They occupy an enlightened middle-ground situated between the two extremes like a creamy nougat center. It's really too bad that I'm too angry and bitter to stop carrying water for the Republicans and join hands with such benevolent and tolerant individuals.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
10. "creamy nougat center"
Sat Apr 25, 2015, 07:06 PM
Apr 2015

Nice one.

I hear that stuff is really good for you, too--it's the kumbaya of confections.

deucemagnet

(4,549 posts)
13. It doesn't matter.
Sat Apr 25, 2015, 08:20 PM
Apr 2015

Because, who are we to question their deeply-held beliefs, kumbaya, etc. Unless we're talking about Scientologists or Mormons. Fuck them.

 

mr blur

(7,753 posts)
19. It's true - you can see it,
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 07:57 AM
Apr 2015

in a couple of groups not far from here. Once they ban the atheists (and they do) there's nothing happening except a couple of people talking to themselves or the sound of crickets.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
63. LOL
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 08:33 AM
Apr 2015

"after they congratulate themselves for respecting each other's beliefs, there's not much left to say"

Exhibit A: the Interfaith group.

NeoGreen

(4,033 posts)
18. Ok, what IS the proper combination????
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 07:30 AM
Apr 2015

...

1) Harrkinnnsssss!!!

2) Dawwkisssss!!!

3) Harridawkssss!!

4) Dawkharrrrsss!

Since we ALL know there has to be at least 3 "S"es at the end...


Hmmm....what about...

5) Dennneetttssss!!!

6) Hitchennsssss!!!

or even...

7) DawkHarrDennchenssss!!!!?

Ohhh the possibilities...

And when posted in the "other" place, are they assigned to specific topics?

"Bad people twit words that hurt my fee fees"... Dawkinssssz!!!

"Bad person does a bad thing and hurts my fee fees"... Hitchennnnzszszszsz!!!!

"Bad person completely destroys my irrational argument, rationally, and hurts my fee fees... Dennntttzszszszsz!!!!

"Bad person says I don't need god to be good, and hurts my fee feeessss!!!!!!..... Harrisssszszszszs!!!

Idz godz da sadzzzz feeee feeeesssss!!!!! DawHithDenarrisszszszszs!!


Note to Jury, the above post is full of

Novara

(6,115 posts)
17. As a newbie to this group....
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 06:56 AM
Apr 2015

....I'm reading along and giggling, but I think there are a couple of those in-jokes you warned me about right here? High school girls? Dawkinz? Can anyone enlighten me? Thanks in advance.

EvolveOrConvolve

(6,452 posts)
25. I'm a grouchy old A&A vet and even I don't know what the high school girl thing is
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 10:20 AM
Apr 2015

But the "Dawkinz" thing is an old standard. There is a certain group of Serious Liberal Believers here at DU that like to equate Richard Dawkins and other New Atheists to radical Muslims terrorists and abortion clinic bombers, claiming both are equally bad. It's a silly argument that we often parody here in A&A.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
32. Those are all either real responses we've received on DU
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 03:27 PM
Apr 2015

or parodies of them.

I just changed a couple of them to reflect the wishes of my fellow evil atheists.

We like to have fun in here, it's a kind of "yo-mama" reaction to that stupid "Why are atheists so angry?" meme.




 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
20. Because the alternative is
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 08:00 AM
Apr 2015

letting pseudo-progressives use their self-congratulatory pulpit of "moderate" religion as a platform to defend and enable bigotry and violence.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
33. Stop ruining everything scott.
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 03:28 PM
Apr 2015

Don't bring facts into the equation, it harshes the buzz they get from posting flamebait.


beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
35. I think they get a tent in their pants when they do it.
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 03:41 PM
Apr 2015

Ho ho ho, LOOK AT ME!!1! I bashed Dawkinz reel good!

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
61. Not as humorless, dogmatic and extremely defensive as the original op.
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 09:36 PM
Apr 2015

There is a lot of "anti-catholic" bigotry accusations being thrown around in a Gay Marriage thread in the other room today, if you're taking a stroll later this evening.

It's very tragic.

And ironic, considering the topic.



beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
34. Did you know PeaceNikki stole baby Jesus from the fridge?
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 03:32 PM
Apr 2015

But I think he gave her indigestion.

And Hitler couldn't possibly have been a christian, I don't think he ever drank scotch.


Heddi

(18,312 posts)
44. WELL HELL YOU CAME TO THE RIGHT PLACE
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 04:26 PM
Apr 2015

because on DU ANYONE can be a philosopher! They can be whatever they want to be. Psychotherapist? check! Hip-Hop Record producer? Check! Author of a million tomes? Check! Potter? Check! Masters Degree In All The Things? Check!

Lookitme, frinstance. I invited the sticky substance on the back of EKG leads. And I wrote a best-selling book about sand art in the 15th century. And I'm currently a tenured professor at A Really Great University and I teach applied mathematics combined with Fibre Arts Appreciation. Don't believe me? Too fucking bad.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
47. I had no idea I was in the company of greatness.
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 04:42 PM
Apr 2015

And to think with all you've got going for you, you still humble yourself and spend your valuable time being snotty to atheists on DU.

With all of those accomplishments I have to wonder if you're an expert in a new field of scholarly research.

Is there a name for it?


Heddi

(18,312 posts)
50. I'd love to tell you but the answer is in my new book
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 04:49 PM
Apr 2015

"Why Are Atheists Assholes And Really Who Gives A Fuck?"

Perhaps you've seen some of the exceprts in your, uh, "religion" forum? Bits are posted there daily, nay, hourly!

Heddi

(18,312 posts)
37. OH ho! Someone must've touched a nerve!
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 03:46 PM
Apr 2015

Shape your swords into plowshares, sinner. I'm an Ape-shitist. That means I know ape-shit but don't care either way. By the way, have you read this awesome book called "Children of God'? It's about a jesuit priest who goes on an intergalactic voyage to another planet and has a crisis of faith. Or a faith of crisis. I can't remember which, but I don't care. Because I'm an apeshitist. Have I ever told you that? I don't know if there's a god and it wouldn't affect my life it there was. So there. Eat that.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
39. Oh, Heddi, can I please please please be an apeshitist too?
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 04:10 PM
Apr 2015

I know we all need to believe that our own unique brand of faith/non-faith is the specialist of the snowflakes, so much so we have to scour teh interwebs searching for something either no one has heard of or just redefine one that they have.

But won't you share with me?

Heddi

(18,312 posts)
43. Yes. Words mean what YOU want them to mean
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 04:24 PM
Apr 2015

example:
I have redefined the words so that when I say I'm astoundingly beautiful with a perfect body, I really mean it! Because it means what I want it to mean.

See, it's real easy to do!

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
51. So when you say you suffer fools gladly it's true too?
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 04:51 PM
Apr 2015


Someone should tell all of the insensitive ignorant folks on DU who got their asses handed to them on a platter by you.

Heddi

(18,312 posts)
58. It is true. I love fools
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 05:28 PM
Apr 2015

lightly spit roasted with a mustard-based bbq sauce and fried okra on the side. Mmmm.

Heddi

(18,312 posts)
42. Fee fees. Nothing more than fee-fees
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 04:21 PM
Apr 2015

You know I should be doing history homework right now but this is too damn fun
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beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
45. Stealing that one.
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 04:32 PM
Apr 2015

Go study, someone has to be able to explain all of that scholarly gobbledy gook we find elsewhere.

Or maybe we're just not doing enough home remedy to get it...

Heddi

(18,312 posts)
46. I've been procrastinating this horse-shit assignment all week
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 04:36 PM
Apr 2015

I have to pretend to be some class of person in the 1700's and write a letter to my grandchildren about the struggles faced by my class. No choice to be a woman, or a slave. It's a merchant, planter, farmer, etc etc.

I'd much rather write a letter to my grandchildren about how doing this assignment made me want to put hot skewers through my ear-drums as I drank a bottle of lye, but that's not an option.

Heddi

(18,312 posts)
49. I'm in a class of people who use the word "don'tn't"
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 04:46 PM
Apr 2015

and can't understand citations.

This is a college class.

I am frightened.


One of the sentences from an essay of a classmate:

"So basically what they're saying is that without these things they colonost would have been happier. I'm like, no, you probably wouldn't have been happier you just think that you would because you don't know what the future holds and you think it's going to be better but you don't know that it is but the colonis just keep up and they don't understand about the indians in the Sever Year War and the French and now the Indians are tranding with the British."

what the everloving actual fuck.

Heddi

(18,312 posts)
52. Another Gem on colonial taxation
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 04:51 PM
Apr 2015

"After the british left and then the English left, then it was the colonists who said they were tire of taxation and then the Constitution came about and there was no more taxation or tarrif."

No more taxes? HOT DIGGITY DAMN! what the fuck did I just mail to the IRS then?

Classes like this are why high school students shouldn't be allowed to take college classes before they've graduated high school. Or mastered spelling. Or learned to think.

EvolveOrConvolve

(6,452 posts)
56. I keep asking myself what the fuck is wrong with America
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 04:57 PM
Apr 2015

And recently came to the realization that we're surrounded by morons. Exhibit 'A' would be the pathetic piece of writing you posted. How did that person even graduate high school?

Heddi

(18,312 posts)
57. They may very well still be in high school
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 05:27 PM
Apr 2015

I'm taking US History 1 because my AP US History from HS would have only counted for 1 US history class. I need 2. So this is a beginner History 101 basically. There are high school students taking this class to get dual college & HS credit for the class.

Good in theory, sucks when it comes to group projects, which this class is nothing but. I have a shortcut for "Please provide citations for the information in your essay" on my computer because my fingers would fall off as much as I type it for every group submission.

Couldn't have taken US history the first time...oh no, heddi had to take WORLD history. Why take US history? Most programs WANT world history.

fuck me.

nil desperandum

(654 posts)
65. Ouch
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 08:53 AM
Apr 2015

I am a Director in my current company, having been general manager at a few companies prior to this one and have been fortunate enough to run my own company for a time and I truly feel your pain.

Reading the reports that are submitted from some of these people in our company from departments not under my control are a cross between painful and wildly amusing.

We deal in color science for the printing industry in my department and if you think generic history papers are just awful you should read the entertaining product that arises from someone who knows enough color science "buzzwords" to think they understand the difference between gamuts and lab color Delta E variations for sustainable print color fidelity.

Hopefully the rest of your semester passes less painfully...

onager

(9,356 posts)
62. Can't be a woman? Crap. OK, maybe you can be...
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 08:21 AM
Apr 2015

Gen. Sir William Howe, 5th Viscount Etc. Commander of British troops in America. His canoodling with a married woman in New York inspired this beautiful Colonial poem:

Sir William he,
Snug as a flea,
Lay all this time a-snoring,
Nor dreamed of harm,
As he lay warm,
In bed with Mrs. Loring.


And if anybody complains, tell the complainer that the poem was written by Francis Hopkinson. Whose name can also be found at the bottom of the Declaration of Independence.

Mrs. Loring's husband got a good job out of the deal. So our ancestors were just like us, but we already knew that. Good thing America went on to be founded by Real Xians who soon put a stop to that sort of thing...

After this class, I can't imagine you want to read any more on the subject. But if you do, I recently read Kevin Phillips' book 1775: A Good Year For Revolution. It's a great detailed read and completely destroys some of those "facts" we Americans start learning in First Grade.

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