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beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
Fri May 8, 2015, 05:48 PM May 2015

Do you support freedom of speech despite intent like the ACLU or are you a closet Geller fan?

Free Speech

Over the years, the ACLU has frequently represented or defended individuals engaged in some truly offensive speech. We have defended the speech rights of communists, Nazis, Ku Klux Klan members, accused terrorists, pornographers, anti-LGBT activists, and flag burners. That’s because the defense of freedom of speech is most necessary when the message is one most people find repulsive. Constitutional rights must apply to even the most unpopular groups if they’re going to be preserved for everyone.


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I cheer Geller's bigotry
0 (0%)
I champion Geller's 1st amendment rights even though she's a despicable bigot
6 (75%)
Shut up bmus and hand me my pom poms
0 (0%)
Geller's head of a hate group but the pope is a progressive liberal trying to change the RCC from the inside
1 (13%)
You're not a high school girl. What's your reason?
0 (0%)
Ooga booga! Dakwinz and other old white men *insert scary Dawkins picture here*
0 (0%)
It's really hard not to love Ben Carson *insert fawning movie review here*
0 (0%)
I like pie
1 (13%)
I like this pope! Fresh Air! Real voice for progressives! Fuck all anti-theist fascists!
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Do you support freedom of speech despite intent like the ACLU or are you a closet Geller fan? (Original Post) beam me up scottie May 2015 OP
I'm far too shy to share my opinions on the matter. PeaceNikki May 2015 #1
Me too. beam me up scottie May 2015 #2
I like pie, deucemagnet May 2015 #3
So do I. beam me up scottie May 2015 #9
What about pie with ice cream on top vs. the 1st Amendment? n/t Silent3 May 2015 #23
Only if it's served on Sofia Vergara's tummy. n/t deucemagnet May 2015 #26
As a former catholic, I gotta go with Pope Bigo...er Francisco (nt) LostOne4Ever May 2015 #4
But by criticizing the RCC you really dilute the focus on the true hate groups like Ms. Geller's beam me up scottie May 2015 #10
I haz bliefs which mok hurtz! Warren Stupidity May 2015 #5
DUers shouldn't mock religious people for their beliefs, it's an attack. beam me up scottie May 2015 #6
But what about the believers on the "OK to mock" list? deucemagnet May 2015 #11
You'll have to check with the resident experts in other parts of DU. beam me up scottie May 2015 #12
Oh, just get on the boat, Grumpy... onager May 2015 #25
! beam me up scottie May 2015 #27
I will vote for dawkin urp! Rainforestgoddess May 2015 #7
Oh good, you got the memo. beam me up scottie May 2015 #8
Yes, hail to the Dakwiki! Rainforestgoddess May 2015 #13
It's really hard not to love THAT man. beam me up scottie May 2015 #14
You bet! Rainforestgoddess May 2015 #15
You two have the WRONG OPINION! onager May 2015 #16
BUSTED! beam me up scottie May 2015 #17
I first clue is my avatar Rainforestgoddess May 2015 #18
And I'm channelling the Mighty Cthulhu! beam me up scottie May 2015 #19
Ni! n/t Silent3 May 2015 #24
You left out JEWISH! onager May 2015 #20
. PeaceNikki May 2015 #21
He's a muggle! progressoid May 2015 #29
I'm really not sure how this is different than the KKK kdmorris May 2015 #22
Don't forget what the pope, Westboro Baptists and other christian bigots say about lgbt people. beam me up scottie May 2015 #28

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
10. But by criticizing the RCC you really dilute the focus on the true hate groups like Ms. Geller's
Fri May 8, 2015, 06:43 PM
May 2015

The hate speech used by the pope (like comparing gender theory to Hitler Youth propaganda) is not extremist enough for some.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
6. DUers shouldn't mock religious people for their beliefs, it's an attack.
Fri May 8, 2015, 06:15 PM
May 2015

Even when a homophobic bigots' beliefs motivate them to compare same sex marriage to pedophilia, incest and bestiality.

Must. Not. Mock. Believers.

They deserve our respect.

deucemagnet

(4,549 posts)
11. But what about the believers on the "OK to mock" list?
Fri May 8, 2015, 06:49 PM
May 2015

Does this mean Scientologists, Raelians, Jehovah's Witnesses, and Snake Handlers are off limits? Not to mention ALL creationists?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
12. You'll have to check with the resident experts in other parts of DU.
Fri May 8, 2015, 06:57 PM
May 2015

When we mock religion it's bigotry, when they do it it's...well it's just different.

Because reasons.

onager

(9,356 posts)
16. You two have the WRONG OPINION!
Fri May 8, 2015, 07:48 PM
May 2015

Both of you are obviously rich privileged racist/sexist/ableist old white men pretending to be women to cause trouble. Nope, that "...goddess" nym didn't fool me for a minute.

You're both being watched and will be reported to the Authority of the Perpetually Aggrieved.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
17. BUSTED!
Fri May 8, 2015, 07:53 PM
May 2015

You saw through the whole thing.

This poll is really an homage to obviously rich privileged racist/sexist/ableist old white men.

I'm sure it's being scoured for offendable content as we type.

onager

(9,356 posts)
20. You left out JEWISH!
Fri May 8, 2015, 08:48 PM
May 2015

Trying to keep that quiet, eh? Too late - we know all about the Intergalactic Jewish/lluminati/Atheist Conspiracy. And the Lizard Persons.

Stop reading my thoughts! I see your drones!

kdmorris

(5,649 posts)
22. I'm really not sure how this is different than the KKK
Sat May 9, 2015, 08:41 AM
May 2015

They are despicable bigots. They are the very epitome of violent fear tactics.

And yet, they are still allowed to march in Washington and say their despicable bigoted bullshit.

I guess they should expect African Americans to shoot the place up because bigotry.

When Neo Nazis are allowed to march and spread their hatred, they should expect Jews (and African Americans again) to shoot them up because bigotry.

So, when one of these yahoos (just Google some of the Republican candidates' stance on atheism) starts spouting their anti-atheist crap, do we get a pass if we were to shoot the place up? No, I don't think we would.

The first amendment does not protect just the speech we like. It protects it ALL. Some of that speech, I find hurtful and some of it angers me... most of the shit Geller said included. BUT they still get to say it because that's what is guaranteed by our constitution.

Killing someone over words or cartoons or anything else that angers you IS ON THE KILLERS. Fuck that noise that says that they lacked all self control because they were provoked. REALLY??? In any other arena than religion that shit would so not fly. If an African American shot up a gathering of the KKK, the most likely result would be the blame would rest squarely on them and NO ONE would say "well, they were provoked.".

I'm just gobsmacked to see how much twisting goes on to protect religion from the very same rules and regulations that govern ALL other areas of our lives.

If I see some Republican talking about women as if we were no better than cattle, I do not get to shoot them. I just don't, no matter how much it hurts, scares or angers me.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
28. Don't forget what the pope, Westboro Baptists and other christian bigots say about lgbt people.
Sat May 9, 2015, 03:47 PM
May 2015

But I'm told that Geller is so much worse because she targets only one group - iow, she's picking on religious people so it's not fair.

The people who want certain kinds of speech banned are clueless, claiming provocation is "incitement" because someone went off the deep end and shot at a hate group.

Incitement is encouraging your followers to commit violent acts.

You don't get to shoot at the person who hurt your fee fees and then have them arrested for provoking you. That's not incitement, it's a severe lack of coping skills.


Why is that so hard for some to understand?


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