Religion has done nothing for women in my life, and has inspired a whole lot of shame, sexual self-repression, fear, guilt, and worse. It is horrible, watching people go through the shit the churches put them through. And it's so ingrained, it is near impossible to talk about. And therapy is useless at times, unless it is willing to engage in the religious oppression--and sadly, it rarely is.

You know, there are very few things in life I dislike more than people and institutions that oppress women. Fuck 'em all.

Oh my!

That may have been a typo. I'll leave it, though, cause that cracked me up

In case people are wondering, I did mean religion, not women.

It cracked me up too, because I was sure that wasn't what you meant.

I don't really understand most men, otoh, and being one doesn't seem to have helped much

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They were good young men, but they've been pulled into the whole frat culture--the embodiment of traditional masculinity and gender roles. It's actually been kinda interesting to watch how profound the changes have been, if an unfortunate transformation.

There's a reason almost all my friends have been women. Men...are not just ignorant, a lot of the time, but willingly and creepily so.

Why not change it to your better, more descriptive sentence:

"There are very few things in life I dislike more than people and institutions that oppress women."


On edit: Sorry, I did not see your post above.

It was definitely misleading

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While it's true about the misogyny, religion is about control of everyone. Not just their actions, but their thoughts, and their existence.

... for their sexuality...You know, they must always dress modestly, they must always submit to men, they mustn't derive sexual pleasure from the act of intercourse, etc etc...

Women are dangerous.

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For us geezers who have forgotten it, and youngsters who've never heard it.

"Found" audio of a radio evangelist ranting about "the Jezebel spirit," over music by Brian Eno and David Byrne. Incredibly creepy. Don't know who put the visuals together, but they're interesting.

Usual weird & worthless personal opinion - the Buy-bull story of Jezebel is some sneaky feminism. It's about a woman who can hear a mob coming down the street, screaming for her blood and knowing the mob would kill her in a few minutes. But she just continued putting on her make-up and waiting for the inevitable. That's not vanity, that's incredible courage. And IIRC, she was only being killed because she was a foreigner who belonged to the wrong religion.

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nutshell...

"Help I'm trapped in a nutshell! What kind of shell would hold a nut like this? How can I oppress women from within the shell of a nut!"

but to boil it down to THAT IS ALL that religion is about is shortsighted and narrow.

Religion is about many detrimental things including this.

Sorry, I've been in GD far too much.

Don't forget the money.

Reading the Bible, and seeing all the misogynistic beliefs, made me realize that this was a book written by some narrow-minded men. There is no "word of god" in it. First step toward where I am today!

"Male gods, male priests/officials, and lots of stupid and inconvenient rules, 99% of them aimed at women."

And they wondered why I had left.

Yes she is.

Indeed.


But if you stink them down even more, they are really about exploiting the fear of death.

But that is not their purpose, their purpose is about control.

Clearly these Bible verses all go AGAINST our Constitution and most AGAINST WOMEN! ... but the religious cherry pick what they want to say or make their sheeple believe

http://aattp.org/five-reasons-the-bible-cannot-co-exist-with-the-constitution-ever/

Had to take a look at this group...

Specifically, the punishment for khilwa - the crime of an unrelated man and woman getting caught together. Read the comments - especially the one about a 75 year old woman being sentenced to a lashing for being in the presence of 2 men.

SaudiWoman "doesn't know about expatriates," but I could enlighten her a little, since I spent 2 years as an expat in The Magic Kingdom. In a restaurant, I once saw an elderly British married couple harassed mercilessly by the Religious Police (muttawa). Their crime was not sitting in the "family section," with all the noisy kids and babies.

Our company had an employee in Saudi Arabia who dated a Filipina nurse. They got caught out on a date in a cafe. When the Religious Police found they weren't married, he was taken to jail. She was escorted to the airport and immediately deported, with a passport notation that she was a prostitute.

This article is from 2009, but poking around her blog will bring up more recent posts:

After disgusted and angry, the only thought that remains after reading shit like this is that I must be from someplace else. This cannot be my home planet--I am not the same species as most of the inhabitants here.

Great article telling me of one woman's life growing up in Saudi Arabia... Unfortunately, part of the article clearly mentions the fundamentalist nature of the society, of which (I'll say) roughly half would be male and in good mind to keep things the way they are, no matter the protestations of the feminists.

I truly hope that women achieve all they desire in SA, as I hate the idea that half of any population being held captive by ancient male-centric thinking. But the fact is that while the male is in power, they will have no thinking on equality and the idea of self-governance of any of their female counterparts, though perfectly available to the male population.

I have no idea what life is like for either population in SA, but it seems from here, that one of them seems barbaric toward the other, and the other it would seem either accepts or suffers a penalty. I've only heard stories but of them I have heard pretty barbaric things.

I wish I could say that the only thing religion does is control women's sexuality, but the fact is... that could only come about if men were being controlled by the doctrines as well. The men, too, accept the word and apply it as they believe their god divines them to. (no evidence to back up any of it... just interpretations of ancient texts to justify actions whether the actions be good or bad.

Tell me, do you go to our sister AA group and tell them that All lives matter?

(That would be the African American group)

Feminism is a good cause, but I'm quite unsure it helps get a sound understanding of religion.

Most religions were devised more than one millenium ago, times not particularly reputed for their active promotion of the equlity of the sexes. Invent an ideology in macho times, and you get an ideology that has macho underpinnings.

Conversely, take recent 'religions' like Scientology or 'New Age' whatever, and, weird as these 'philosophies' still might be, they are not 'about controlling women’s sexuality'.

Lastly -and the inexistent god knows I'm not a fan of that religion- Islam in its beginnings represented a feminist step forward compared too the tribal customs of the time and place, grantting them some rights to divorce and some share of inheritances. Not too much because religions have to retain their male chauvinist status