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Related: About this forumFungus, not Jesus Magic, Causes Communion Wafer "Miracle"
From the people who still believe in demonic possession in the year 2015 ...
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2015/05/13/illinois-catholic-church-assumes-red-stained-communion-wafer-is-miracle-unaware-of-scientific-explanation/
Illinois Catholic Church Assumes Red-Stained Communion Wafer is Miracle, Unaware of Scientific Explanation
Theres evidence of a miracle at St Patricks Catholic Church in Rochelle, Illinois.
Get this: A communion wafer was placed in water by the Deacon to dissolve on May 1, 2015, [and] four days later, May 4, 2015, it appears to have turned into flesh and blood.
You know, this exact thing happened years ago in Minnesota. Wafer. Water. Blood. And there turned out to be a perfectly good explanation for it that had nothing to do with ridiculous Catholic theology.
The archdiocese sent the host to an unnamed laboratory to be tested and released the results Wednesday in a statement from archdiocese spokesman Dennis McGrath.
Exhaustive biological analysis by an independent scientific laboratory has determined that the reddish coloration on the Holy Communion host fragment that was kept in a water solution after it was discovered on the floor of St. Augustine Church
was caused by a fungus. The host in question has been disposed of in a manner prescribed by church law.
While the Catholic Church fully recognizes the possibility of miracles and remains open to their possibility, it does so with extreme scrutiny, investigation and care. This incident was the result of natural biological causes and should not be considered in any other way.
But rather than even consider a rational explanation, this Illinois church jumped straight to miracle. Church officials say theyre awaiting an official ruling from, I assume, the Vatican.
(Actually, since they believe the wafer is literally the body of Christ, wouldnt the wafer turning red be the opposite of a miracle
?)
In any case, how long do you think itll take before they figure out Gods not really sending them a sign? I call dibs on never.
deucemagnet
(4,549 posts)Such a thing could scuttle your whole business.
Hoppy
(3,595 posts)I've been a good boy.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)RussBLib
(9,666 posts)Last edited Thu May 14, 2015, 08:03 PM - Edit history (1)
Today's Christians get downright silly when they claim to see the face of (the Westernized preconceived notion of) Jesus' somewhere. If an image is "clear" enough, they will prostrate themselves in front of it, embarassing themselves and everyone who sees them. Or they pass by with silent reverence, grasping their rosaries or beads or whatever the hell gives them solace.
They are so desperate to find any sign of God's presence, it's rather pathetic.
It's a miracle!
(no, actually, there is a scientific explanation)
It's a miracle!!!
It's both sad and comical at the same time.
Sad that people are still hung up on all this mumbo-jumbo.
Comical that people are still hung up on all this mumbo-jumbo.
Contrast the Muslim faith with todays Christianity. No one claims to see the visage of Mohammed anywhere. Hell, no! That could mean a death sentence! Have there been reports of "miracles" through the Muslim world? If there have, I'm not aware.
(corrected some poor spelling)
Promethean
(468 posts)Unbelievers are still just killed in most Muslim countries and access to information technology isn't prevalent. Christian countries have the opposite though. The religious must look at unbelievers walking around safely and even having equal rights. It must gall them horribly. Then of course the ubiquitous nature of information technology is causing people to leave the faith in record numbers. I am honestly surprised we don't see the religious politicians ranting about the evils of the internet.
So what can the poor christians do? Latch onto every "miracle" they can because it is all they have to prop up the faith at this point.
onager
(9,356 posts)I saw several when I lived in Egypt, since they were always covered in the local paper.
Every once in a while, a farmer would discover a melon, or a baker a loaf of bread, etc., that appeared to have a verse from the Qur'an on it, in Arabic. Those miracles were always covered, with photos.
The Egyptian Gazette had a woman columnist who was not only a devout Muslim, but a believer in all kinds of woo. (Which she insisted were "scientific." She claimed to know, with absolute certainty, that the animals sacrificed during the Eid festivals felt no pain and were happy to be sacrificed. My lying eyes call bullshit on that one, too. I've seen animals sacrificed for those festivals and saw no evidence of happiness.
No apparitions of Mo, for the obvious reasons you point out. Though the Quitbay Mosque in Cairo, built in 1492 IIRC, has a preserved footprint of Mohammed on display. I saw that miracle myself. It was just a footprint in dried plaster or mud. Didn't glow or levitate while I was there.
But we all know miracles are allergic to skeptics. Or as some smart-ass once flipped that idea - reason only visits where it's welcome.
olddots
(10,237 posts)as an atheist I demand free drugs to hallucinate as much as religio dweebs.
progressoid
(50,747 posts)deucemagnet
(4,549 posts)...I'd rather be on doggy's face."
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Jesus, tender Shepherd, hear me:
Bless Thy little child to-night;
Through the darkness Thou are near,
For I see you on Buster's rear.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Because ... Harry Potter.
I think they prefer 'supernatural'.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)To compare fantasy, wizards, witches, spells, transfiguration, dark arts, etc. with deities, angels, miracles, virgin births, transfiguration, demons, etc. is very, very offensive. One is obviously fictional, and the other is, uh ... nevermind ...
onager
(9,356 posts)Grand Wizards, at least...
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)What... are you lacking in intelligence????
Don't mean to pull the rug out from under you but...
Have you not been informed that "magic" and "supernatural" have nothing to do with each other????
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)What did they expect the results to show? Human flesh and blood? Seriously?
They must have been very disappointed.