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Related: About this forumVatican: Irish Gay Marriage Referendum a ‘Defeat for Humanity’
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By Elias Groll
May 26, 2015 - 6:00 pm
It was probably too much to expect that the Vatican would react positively to the news that Irish voters cast their ballots by overwhelming margins to legalize gay marriage, or that it would simply say nothing at all. But when the church, which had until now remained silent on Saturdays results, finally did comment on the issue on Tuesday, Cardinal Pietro Parolin really did not mince his words.
I believe that we are talking here not just about a defeat for Christian principles but also about a defeat for humanity, Parolin, the Vaticans secretary of state, told reporters on the sidelines of a conference in Rome.
The referendum in Ireland, in which voters approved gay marriage by a 62.1 to 37.9 percent margin, was the first time such a right has been granted by popular national vote (in America, it has been legalized in some individual states by both referendum and court decision). Its a huge defeat for the Catholic Church in a country where some 84 percent of the country is at least in theory an adherent to the faith, though the church has grown markedly less popular because of its handling of child sexual abuse by its priests and its hardline anti-abortion and anti-gay rights positions.
Following the vote, Irish church officials said its outcome should prompt a round of soul searching. This is a social revolution, the archbishop of Dublin, Diarmuid Martin, told RTE Television. The church has a huge task in front of it get its message across to young people The church needs to do a reality check.
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So far, however, Francis has failed to gain approval of more liberal church doctrine on a series of social and sexual issues, including abortion and same-sex marriage. The gulf between Franciss rhetoric and official church policy has been particularly striking at the United Nations, where the Holy Sees diplomats at the United Nations continue to work hard to block progressive policies on sexual and reproductive right that they see as being in conflict with traditional church teachings.
deucemagnet
(4,549 posts)it was a great victory for humanity in general and human rights in particular.
uriel1972
(4,261 posts)mr blur
(7,753 posts)PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)skepticscott
(13,029 posts)Francis has not pushed for liberalization of any church doctrine. The Vatican PR machine has had him spewing fuzzy-wuzzy rhetoric by the boatload, but neither he nor the church have done anything but stand fast on current doctrine. But the PR game is apparently working, since the media is swallowing it and regurgitating.
Rob H.
(5,568 posts)It's all just a bunch of talk at this point to make him (and the church) seem warm 'n' fuzzy but the reality is that nothing has really changed, no matter how much some people wish otherwise.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)which is a big step seeing as how their initial reaction was to kick the liberation theologists out of the church.
truebrit71
(20,805 posts)How anyone, ANYONE can still be a part of this organization, never mind defend it like some do in that other group, is beyond me.
The cognitive dissonance that requires simply beggars belief...
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)Rob H.
(5,568 posts)That does absolutely nothing to change the fact that the RCC opposed it and not only said what they said, their spokesperson clarified to say that the RCC absolutely believes the referendum was a "defeat for humanity." But no, the church isn't bigoted because reasons.
Major Nikon
(36,900 posts)Albeit between other statements claiming the gay agenda is the work of the devil.
nil desperandum
(654 posts)has been on the wrong side of most historically important social decisions. I am reminded of a quote from Oliver Ellsworth (at least I think it was his quote if memory serves):
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)following them would mean that there would never be any social or political change for the better.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)The Holy See's diplomats can just go away. Why should some sect of some religion get a seat at the UN table? There are plenty of Catholic countries there already.
mountain grammy
(27,273 posts)who felt strongly that they were following the teachings of their Lord and Savior. They practiced birth control, were pro choice, embraced their gay friends and worked for marriage equality. In short, they believed in their faith and in humanity. If they were Irish, they would have voted with the majority. The Catholic hierarchy has always been out of touch with the flock.