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mr blur

(7,753 posts)
Sun May 31, 2015, 10:04 AM May 2015

If My Daughter Learns Evolution, She’ll Get Rejected from Vet School, Says West Virginia Dad

(Found at Friendly Atheist)

Earlier this month, West Virginian Kenneth Smith filed a lawsuit against everyone he could think of involved in teaching evolution to his daughter.

That list included the Jefferson County Board of Education, the State Superintendent, the U.S. Secretary of Education, and the Director of the National Institutes of Health. (If he were alive, I’m sure Charles Darwin would have made the list.)

What did they all do wrong?

Smith says that by promoting evolution, they’re ruining his daughter’s ability to get into veterinarian school, thereby stopping her from earning a good living.

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Er, no . . . I don't even . . . what?!



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If My Daughter Learns Evolution, She’ll Get Rejected from Vet School, Says West Virginia Dad (Original Post) mr blur May 2015 OP
She has a bright future. beam me up scottie May 2015 #1
I'm sorry but you're being very wearing the blinders about this Heddi May 2015 #7
I alerted on your personal attack, I hope your account is flagged for review. beam me up scottie May 2015 #14
Ha! Sucker! Heddi May 2015 #18
You're completely potty, mr blur Jun 2015 #21
I have pottery androids? beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #26
I have pottery androids? AlbertCat Jun 2015 #28
I know where my solenoid is. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #32
As a professor of biology, PZ Myers has the best take on this story pokerfan Jun 2015 #24
Oh yes he does! beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #25
How the hell does a world renowned neurosurgeon come to the conclusion that .... AlbertCat Jun 2015 #29
It must. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #31
Oyez, oyez, and the honorable Court in the present action responds... onager May 2015 #2
Don't try...you'll only lower your IQ skepticscott May 2015 #3
West Virginia? left-of-center2012 May 2015 #4
will this affect vegitarians ? olddots May 2015 #5
Am I the only one that has a problem with the picture used in the article? Heddi May 2015 #6
I thought that the pic was meant to show mr blur May 2015 #9
Pssh. You read the pamphlet? Rob H. May 2015 #10
I don't think it is photoshop, I think it is done using gimp. Warren Stupidity May 2015 #11
Bring out The Gimp, eh? mr blur May 2015 #12
As have I. cleanhippie Jun 2015 #23
I have the strangest craving Lordquinton Jun 2015 #33
Gimp!?! You...ABLEIST! onager May 2015 #19
I am sorry, but I am going to have to alert on your post... NeoGreen Jun 2015 #20
I'm going to have to alert on your alert. mr blur Jun 2015 #22
Am I the only one that has a problem with the picture used in the article? AlbertCat Jun 2015 #30
This is the worst case of child abuse that I have seen in a long time. Curmudgeoness May 2015 #8
I have.... Very few words for this one. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #13
This thread is hilarious. beam me up scottie May 2015 #15
(Found at Friendly Atheist) progressoid May 2015 #16
Well...there is an alternative iwillalwayswonderwhy May 2015 #17
That's just too stupid for words... truebrit71 Jun 2015 #27
This father knows what he's talking about. He even wrote a book! drm604 Jun 2015 #34

Heddi

(18,312 posts)
7. I'm sorry but you're being very wearing the blinders about this
Sun May 31, 2015, 01:13 PM
May 2015

You go on about McDonalds, and yet you have a dancing cat in your sig-line. Talk about hypocricy.

Also, not one word from you about the photoshopped photo in the snip provided by Mr. Blah or whatever. I don't even know because I have him on ignore. Why can't you comment on the fact that OBVIOUSLY this is a fake photo, as demonstratable by the way the girl is not only wearing glasses WRONG but glasses that are very much out of the current style.

How you can take this article seriously after these glaring contradictions in fact I just don't know.

I had really hoped you'd be better then this but I guess I was WRONG. I know I get poked fun at because of my Kumbahyah attitude but so be it! If everyone tells you you have a tail YOU BETTER TURN AROUND AND LOOK!

See you round the camp-fire.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
14. I alerted on your personal attack, I hope your account is flagged for review.
Sun May 31, 2015, 06:42 PM
May 2015

This just proves A&A Puritans have no sense of humour.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
26. I have pottery androids?
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 05:09 PM
Jun 2015

What do they look like?

It's quite possible the dogs ate them, I'll need to check their poop.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
28. I have pottery androids?
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 08:35 PM
Jun 2015

I though he said "adenoids"....



You don't know where your adenoids are.... well do you?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
32. I know where my solenoid is.
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 10:17 PM
Jun 2015

Had to order one for the shop last week, just tracked the shipment - it's in Cleveland.

pokerfan

(27,677 posts)
24. As a professor of biology, PZ Myers has the best take on this story
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 04:12 PM
Jun 2015
Look, here’s reality for you. If you don’t learn evolution in high school, you will definitely get it in college, especially if you’re a biology major. And if you plan on being a vet, you pretty much definitely will be a biology major.

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I can’t even imagine going into a field that requires in-depth knowledge about diverse animals, that requires comparative anatomy and physiology, without understanding the relationships between those organisms.

One last thing: sending your daughter off to learn biology while telling her that evolution “has no math to back it” is self-defeating. The first upper level biology course she takes, she will learn that Daddy lied about evolution — it’s a truckload of math. And if Daddy lied about biology, what else has he lied about? Daddy is the kind of Christian atheists love: he raises smart young women and burdens them with faith-based rubbish that is easily demolished, discrediting her religion in the process.

Thanks, Dad. But really, for your daughter’s sake, we’d rather you raised her with a better understanding of how science works, and if you really need to, a religion that is more tolerant and open-minded and slightly more difficult to reduce to a shambolic hateful smear.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2015/05/30/so-backwards/

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
25. Oh yes he does!
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 05:06 PM
Jun 2015

Thank you for posting that!

If you think you can avoid exposing them to evolution at the college level by enrolling them in your local know-nothing Bible college…well, what did I just say about vet schools being competitive? No one is going to be impressed, even if she gets straight “A”s in a substandard school, or worse, a school that isn’t even accredited.

So you bite the bullet and send your daughter to a real school, and you tell her to pray a lot and not listen when the professors explain how the Earth is 4.5 billion years old, or perhaps you tell her to listen and parrot it back on the tests, but don’t believe it. It won’t work. It’s not like evolution represents a small collection of facts she can regurgitate on an exam — it’s a whole body of concepts that reinforce each other and make biology comprehensible. Higher ed is not an exercise in memorization! You can’t pretend her brain is a Chinese room and that she can just shuffle out answers reflexively without thinking about them.



This is what confuses the hell out of me when it comes to educated people like Ben Carson:

Evolution

Carson's views on evolution and creationism have also been controversial. In a 2006 debate with Richard Dawkins, Francis Collins, and Daniel Dennett, Carson stated: "I don't believe in evolution...I simply don't have enough faith to believe that something as complex as our ability to rationalize, think, and plan, and have a moral sense of what's right and wrong, just appeared."[77] In 2012, nearly 500 professors, students, and alumni of Emory University wrote a letter expressing concern about his views in advance of his commencement speech (there was no request to rescind the invitation). They cited a quote in an interview with the Adventist Review: "By believing we are the product of random acts, we eliminate morality and the basis of ethical behavior". Carson clarified that "Those of us who believe in God and derive our sense of right and wrong and ethics from God's word really have no difficulty whatsoever defining where our ethics come from. People who believe in survival of the fittest might have more difficulty deriving where their ethics come from. A lot of evolutionists are very ethical people."[76]


How the hell does a world renowned neurosurgeon come to the conclusion that the batshit fucking insanity called 'young earth creationism' is the correct "theory"?





 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
29. How the hell does a world renowned neurosurgeon come to the conclusion that ....
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 08:42 PM
Jun 2015

Because over the years he has become a colossal megalomaniac and egotist who thinks his personal notions and fee-fees are THE way things are.

Religion requires heaping spoonfuls of ego.

onager

(9,356 posts)
2. Oyez, oyez, and the honorable Court in the present action responds...
Sun May 31, 2015, 10:27 AM
May 2015


Still trying to understand his ranting about the different shades of blonde hair. Though I suspect trying to understand it is a mistake in the first place.
 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
3. Don't try...you'll only lower your IQ
Sun May 31, 2015, 11:06 AM
May 2015

Though I'm sure there are posters here who would argue that this moonbat should be accommodated, just in the spirit of Kumbayaishness.

Heddi

(18,312 posts)
6. Am I the only one that has a problem with the picture used in the article?
Sun May 31, 2015, 01:09 PM
May 2015

the one that is posted above in the snip, I mean. I don't think that's the daughter referred to in the article. Also, I have worn glasses my whole life and therefore I have many friends with glasses, and I don't think I've EVER seen anyone wear their glasses all kattywompus like the girl in the photo is. I think this is a deceptive ploy to make the eager young woman in the article appear to be a complete klutz. Talk about gender stereotyping!

I've looked all over the internet for the original version of this photo, and I can't find anything. This leads me to believe (based on the pamphlet I read once about the Journalism classes at the Junior College in town) that this is probably some kind of photo-shop job or something?

I find it very distracting. Also, can anyone tell me what book it is that she is reading? She seems to be about 3/4 of the way into the book yet with her glasses so askew on her face, I wonder if she really READ the book or is just looking at it. These are important things to know and I cannot even begin to read the article without knowing these details.

Also, the young woman in the article sounds very bright and ambitious. I wish her all the luck in her career as a veterinary technician, also known as a scientist.

 

mr blur

(7,753 posts)
9. I thought that the pic was meant to show
Sun May 31, 2015, 02:15 PM
May 2015

someone completely stunned and possibly confused by the sheer ignorance stupidity of some jerk saying that vets shouldn't know about evolution.

Perhaps she's meant to be reading the Bible and she just can't believe the bullshit and drivel that's in there. Maybe she's wondering how many talking snakes or arguing donkeys she'll have to treat as a vet.

Also, you mustn't place too much stock in the things you read in journalism courses. Make sure you get your information from credible sources.

Rob H.

(5,568 posts)
10. Pssh. You read the pamphlet?
Sun May 31, 2015, 02:38 PM
May 2015

I didn't, because I can learn everything I need to know about journalism by observing journalists. Any sort of foundational document that explains or at least illuminates how and why they do the things they do or believe what they believe is a waste of time! They're not all the same, you know, well, other than having to have a uniform set of professional ethics, which I also haven't read, because what's that going to tell me? The proper way to quote people? LOL. Who has time to be that careful or honest?

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
11. I don't think it is photoshop, I think it is done using gimp.
Sun May 31, 2015, 03:17 PM
May 2015

That's the opensource photo editing tool. Open source is probably a communist plot to destroy microsoft, so really somebody should alert on this post because we need to have more microsofts and fuck linux, amirite?

NeoGreen

(4,033 posts)
20. I am sorry, but I am going to have to alert on your post...
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 07:27 AM
Jun 2015

..."kattywompus" is just over the top...and hurtful...

Plus, you make "Klutz" sound like a bad thing...

Now I hadz the sadz...

 

mr blur

(7,753 posts)
22. I'm going to have to alert on your alert.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 08:03 AM
Jun 2015

Mocking people is not allowed. It's persecution. I'm not talking to you anymore.

Goodbye.

No, really, I mean it.

Really.

So . . . goodbye then.

For ever.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
30. Am I the only one that has a problem with the picture used in the article?
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 08:52 PM
Jun 2015

Oh Heddi.....

that's the way all the kids these days are wearing their glasses and hair.

Geez.... get with it girl!



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Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
8. This is the worst case of child abuse that I have seen in a long time.
Sun May 31, 2015, 02:08 PM
May 2015

I can hardly believe that this is a real story, it is so bizarre. There will be a very rude awakening when she gets to college and has to take Evolutionary Biology, among other biology courses......and every one of them, from Biology 101 will be teaching evolution. This poor girl!

progressoid

(50,747 posts)
16. (Found at Friendly Atheist)
Sun May 31, 2015, 06:56 PM
May 2015

NO SUCH THING as a friendly atheist!

I clicked on that link and it's nothing but snobby heathens bashing Christians.

drm604

(16,230 posts)
34. This father knows what he's talking about. He even wrote a book!
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 10:09 PM
Jun 2015
If you’d like to learn more about Smith’s philosophy, just check out his 2013 book The True Origin of Man. Here’s just one meaningful excerpt:

In much the same way, as the number of whitish blond-haired people began to increase the number of people with pure white hair dwindled. The more the number of redheads increases, the more the natural blond-haired adults will be absorbed by decreasing into extinction, because of the effects of Kendihuchrodnamixgenesis.

You can't argue with big words like "Kendihuchrodnamixgenesis"!
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