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onager

(9,356 posts)
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 06:30 PM Jun 2015

Catholic Priest: Caitlyn Jenner "Just A Man Dressed Up As A Whore"

(Posted in the Atheist/Agnostic Group, a vermin-infested safe haven)

Posted at the Friendly Atheist...who turns out to be on the same blog network as Father Fashion Tips. Somewhat to Hemant Mehta's aggravation.

Yeah, I know I'm just mean...but why do I suspect the good Father has a huge collection of Bailey Jay videos?

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2015/06/02/catholic-priest-caitlyn-jenner-is-just-a-man-dressed-up-as-a-whore/

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Catholic Priest: Caitlyn Jenner "Just A Man Dressed Up As A Whore" (Original Post) onager Jun 2015 OP
Typical. Those old boys are still stuck in the twelfth century Warpy Jun 2015 #1
I don't know why people have to be so damned mean. (I'm not talking about you, onager.) Tobin S. Jun 2015 #2
Aw, I knew you weren't talking about me! onager Jun 2015 #7
What a jerk. nt SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #3
Did you read the patheos blog he linked to??? beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #4
They now say they're happy Cartoonist Jun 2015 #5
Because bigots suck. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #6
They now say they're happy AlbertCat Jun 2015 #10
Well gender theory is from the devil Lordquinton Jun 2015 #8
The pope compared it to Nazi propaganda. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #11
Oh yea Lordquinton Jun 2015 #12
Oh they tried to rewrite that history. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #13
Not to mention eir long history of antisemitism Lordquinton Jun 2015 #14
Imagine what they'd find if they opened up all the archives... beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #15
You're the devil Lordquinton Jun 2015 #16
They opened up some...and probably wish they hadn't onager Jun 2015 #27
I do remember, onager, I was hoping you'd weigh in here. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #30
And no one can prove him wrong, so we have to accept it. trotsky Jun 2015 #21
Says a man who wears a dress. DavidDvorkin Jun 2015 #9
I think that their hatred and venom they spew on a person who did nothing to them LostOne4Ever Jun 2015 #17
Just a man dressed up as a whore edhopper Jun 2015 #18
LMFAO trotsky Jun 2015 #20
I'm really sick of these nasty, bigoted pricks, mr blur Jun 2015 #19
Free speech is a two way street Lordquinton Jun 2015 #25
This guy Longenecker; nil desperandum Jun 2015 #22
LOL trotsky Jun 2015 #23
Well now, nil desperandum Jun 2015 #24
He makes a compelling argument Lordquinton Jun 2015 #26
I'm sure Pope Awesome I will have him defrocked at his earliest convenience. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2015 #28
Not at all surprising Longenecker would say that Rob H. Jun 2015 #29

Warpy

(113,130 posts)
1. Typical. Those old boys are still stuck in the twelfth century
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 06:47 PM
Jun 2015

and haven't kept up with what whores are wearing these days. Hint: it's not a modest 1950s retro one piece bathing suit.

Don't forget the stack of photos of altar boys he remembers fondly. Or wishes he did.

Tobin S.

(10,420 posts)
2. I don't know why people have to be so damned mean. (I'm not talking about you, onager.)
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 06:49 PM
Jun 2015

I guess we can't expect any better from a philosophy that teaches that that which makes us human is wrong.

I'm betting that there is more than meets the eye when considering such statements about Caitlyn Jenner. It probably has to do some very human attributes that are being repressed.

onager

(9,356 posts)
7. Aw, I knew you weren't talking about me!
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 08:26 PM
Jun 2015


I'll have to try harder to be mean. In my defense - I did LMAO at one comment on that article:

"Transgender men shouldn't wear dresses. Says man wearing a dress."

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
4. Did you read the patheos blog he linked to???
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 07:23 PM
Jun 2015

This perverted priest isn't just insulting Caitlyn, he actually praises doctors who shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a transgender person:

Paul R McHugh was University Distinguished Professor of Psychiatry at John Hopkins University. He explains why they decided to stop recommending sex re-assignment surgery. First Dr McHugh explains his bewilderment at the confused sexual identity of the men. Although they said they were women trapped in men’s bodies, it didn’t ring true.

Men (and until recently they were all men) with whom I spoke before their surgery would tell me that their bodies and sexual identities were at variance. Those I met after surgery would tell me that the surgery and hormone treatments that had made them “women” had also made them happy and contented. None of these encounters were persuasive, however. The post-surgical subjects struck me as caricatures of women. They wore high heels, copious makeup, and flamboyant clothing; they spoke about how they found themselves able to give vent to their natural inclinations for peace, domesticity, and gentleness—but their large hands, prominent Adam’s apples, and thick facial features were incongruous (and would become more so as they aged). Women psychiatrists whom I sent to talk with them would intuitively see through the disguise and the exaggerated postures. “Gals know gals,” one said to me, “and that’s a guy.”


So maybe not “Call me Caitlyn” but “Call me Confused”


I don't know who I want to punch more.



beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
6. Because bigots suck.
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 07:36 PM
Jun 2015

I don't get all that worked up when the fuckers attack atheists for not believing but this is truly reprehensible.

Transgender people are victimized and killed all the time because of bigots like that good christian priest.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
10. They now say they're happy
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 09:03 PM
Jun 2015

Well, they AREN"T!


No male/female overlap or such inclination or anything other than straight male, straight (with maybe an occasional lesbian encounter.... oh yeah!) woman can ever be happy.


It just makes them SO ANGRY when they see a LGBT-ite happy and content...grrrrrr....damnit!!!!


BE MISERABLE LIKE YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE!

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
12. Oh yea
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 10:38 PM
Jun 2015

It's so hard to keep track of what he's said is from the devil, and what he says is nazi propaganda. You think he'd ixnay on the atzinay stuff, what with the Catholic history in WWII, and his predecessor's involvement in the youth.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
13. Oh they tried to rewrite that history.
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 11:01 PM
Jun 2015

See the Vatican was scared to stand up to the dictators because, you know, it's not like they'd get rewarded in the next life if they were persecuted for doing the right thing. And no one can prove that they were even aware of what was going on.

They did everything they could.

Except that's not what really happened: Pope Pius XII and the Holocaust

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
14. Not to mention eir long history of antisemitism
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 11:26 PM
Jun 2015

That allowed the Holocaust to go on without much objections from the neighbors.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
15. Imagine what they'd find if they opened up all the archives...
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 11:35 PM
Jun 2015

Can I change my answer to that 'If you were the Devil' question?

onager

(9,356 posts)
27. They opened up some...and probably wish they hadn't
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 05:26 PM
Jun 2015

Old-timers will probably recognize that I post about this book every time the subject comes up. But for those unfamiliar with the book, it is a great if infuriating read.

The Popes Against the Jews: The Vatican's Role in the Rise of Modern Anti-Semitism by David I. Kertzer

Amazon Review:

...Kertzer's book refutes the Church's thesis that the Holocaust grew out of "an anti-Judaism that was essentially more sociological and political than religious." In fact, Kertzer asserts, those dimensions of European anti-Semitism developed "in no small part due to the efforts of the Roman Catholic Church itself."

The racial laws of fascist Italy and the Nuremberg Laws of 1930s Germany, for example, were directly modeled on the Church's own rules governing treatment of Jews: until the collapse of the Papal States in the late 19th century, Jews living in these territories were forced to wear yellow badges and live in ghettos.

Kertzer's arguments make for compelling reading because they're presented in story form, based on the actions of the popes themselves. Access to long-sealed Church archives allowed Kertzer to reconstruct some of the most shocking, secret conversations that occurred in the Vatican in the decades leading up to World War II. --Michael Joseph Gross

http://www.amazon.com/The-Popes-Against-Jews-Anti-Semitism/dp/0375706054

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
30. I do remember, onager, I was hoping you'd weigh in here.
Thu Jun 4, 2015, 03:32 AM
Jun 2015

They definitely aren't going to cooperate, and it's obvious why.

From my link above:

The preliminary report released by the IJCHC also asked the Vatican for access to non-published archival documents to more fully investigate the Pope's role in the Holocaust. This request was refused by the Vatican, which allowed them access only to documents from before 1923. As a result, the Commission suspended its study in July 2001, without issuing a final report. Dr. Michael Marrus, one of the three Jewish panelists and a professor of history at the University of Toronto, expained that the commission "ran up against a brick wall.... It would have been really halpful to have had support from the Holy See on this issue."

...

In 2004, news was disclosed of a diary kept by James McDonald, the League of Nations high commissioner for refugees coming from Germany. In 1933, McDonald raised the treatment of the Jews with then Cardinal Pacelli, who was the Vatican secretary of state. McDonald was specifically interested in helping a group of Jewish refugees in the Saar region, a territory claimed by France and Germany that was turned over to the Germans in 1935. The Pope's defenders cite his intercession on these Jews' behalf as evidence of his sympathy for Jews persecuted by the Nazis. According to McDonald, however, when he disccused the matter with Pacelli, “The response was noncommittal, but left me with the definite impression that no vigorous cooperation could be expected.”(30) Pacelli did intercede in January 1935 to help the Jews, but only after McDonald agreed that American Jews would use their influence in Washington to protect church properties that were being threatened by the Mexican government.(31)

In 2005, the Italian daily, Corriere della Sera, discovered a letter dated November 20, 1946, showing that Pope Pius XII ordered Jewish babies baptized by Catholics during the Holocaust not to be returned to their parents. Some scholars said the disclosure was not new and that the Pope's behavior was not remarkable. The more important story, according to Rabbi David Rosen, international director of interreligious affairs for the American Jewish Committee, was that one of the recipients of the letter, Angelo Roncalli, the papal representative in Paris, ignored the papal directive.(32)


They finally have a bright shiny new pr pope. He's done wonders with propaganda - folks actually believe the Church is a kinder, gentler institution. Can't have anyone looking too closely at the skeletons in the closet.




O/T: if you have any free time you should consider doing a weekly history thread in this group. Your posts are always informative and entertaining. I think you missed your calling, I would have killed for a teacher like you in high school.


trotsky

(49,533 posts)
21. And no one can prove him wrong, so we have to accept it.
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 09:09 AM
Jun 2015

That's the logic straight from the smartest, most honest, and least mediocre person on DU.

LostOne4Ever

(9,597 posts)
17. I think that their hatred and venom they spew on a person who did nothing to them
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 03:54 AM
Jun 2015

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]Is a more damning testimony to their inhumanity than anything I could ever say.[/font]

 

mr blur

(7,753 posts)
19. I'm really sick of these nasty, bigoted pricks,
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 07:22 AM
Jun 2015

using their fucking religious privilege.

Yes, I know there's such a thing as freedom of speech but this is not about that. It's about nasty individuals hiding behind archaic myths as if belief in the ridiculous entitles you to parade your ignorance and bigotry without fear of consequences. And of course, they get a free pass because God. Or "faith", as if the ability to believe in the supernatural makes you exceptional rather than merely credulous and emotionally retarded.

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
25. Free speech is a two way street
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 01:57 PM
Jun 2015

But if your only defence in saying something is that it's not literally illegal, then maybe rethink it?

Religious tolerance is a two way street, but until recently it was one way, and even though we're trying ot the newly opened lane the religious (of all stripes) are going the wrong way, horns blaring.

nil desperandum

(654 posts)
22. This guy Longenecker;
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 11:52 AM
Jun 2015



Said this in an interview....


2. What is the parish priest’s role in forming the Catholic Gentleman? Can you give our readers any examples of chivalrous behavior that you would like to see more frequently around the parish?

Join the Knights of Columbus! How much more chivalrous can you get than wearing a cape, a plumed hat, and carrying a sword? They should also get involved in “militant” Catholicism


So he enjoys playing dress up in a cape and plumed hat with a decorative sword at his side, but he's the go to guy for what Jenner should or shouldn't be? Really?

Turd.

nil desperandum

(654 posts)
24. Well now,
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 01:54 PM
Jun 2015

it's not much but I do what I can....

Why is it always some odd little quirks surround these clowns who want to sit in judgment of how other folks ought to live?

It's always the gay preacher who is against marriage equality, or claims being gay is a lifestyle choice....what the hell?

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
28. I'm sure Pope Awesome I will have him defrocked at his earliest convenience.
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 06:51 PM
Jun 2015

Because institutional change from the inside or some such bullocks.

Rob H.

(5,570 posts)
29. Not at all surprising Longenecker would say that
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 11:53 PM
Jun 2015

Not just based on his religiosity, but also because he's a right-winger-- which I'm sure would come as a surprise to someone in The Other Group who posted an article Longenecker wrote that was critical of atheists. Then again, maybe not. When a person's compelled to post any anti-atheist article he can find, the sources probably don't even matter after a while.

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