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onager

(9,356 posts)
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 08:32 AM Jul 2015

Church-state tensions in Bolivia cloud Pope's visit...

WonderPope update! Posted in Atheists/Agnostics because we have a vested interest in the battles between church and state everywhere. Also more evidence of the Catholic Church losing its stranglehold on Latin America - contrary to what we often read in other DU groups.

Though as a Certified Grumpy Atheist, I don't see any improvement in replacing Catholic rituals with indigenous earth-mother rituals at state ceremonies. If it's a public state ceremony, how about letting everyone pray to their chosen deity individually. And silently!

Church-state tensions in Bolivia cloud Pope's visit as Morales seeks to limit church influence

By CARLOS VALDEZ, Associated Press

LA PAZ, Bolivia (AP) — President Evo Morales is a huge fan of Pope Francis, and says he couldn't be happier they are of the same mind that capitalism promotes social inequalities that leave the poor by the wayside.

But until Francis' election to the papacy in 2013 — and even today to a lesser degree — Morales' government has had rocky relations with the Catholic Church.

No sooner had Morales taken office in 2006 than the Bible and cross were removed from the presidential palace. A new constitution in 2009 made this overwhelmingly Catholic nation a secular state and Andean religious rituals replaced Catholic rites at official state ceremonies.

All of which sets the stage for an interesting diplomatic dance Wednesday when Francis arrives in Bolivia's capital for an official visit, welcomed by Morales at the airport and then accompanied by him to a meeting with local officials and diplomats...

The president's tensions with the church have been manifold.

Morales considers the Catholic Church a powerful vestige of the colonial-era servitude from which the indigenous — more than 60 percent of Bolivia's population — are still trying to recover.

The government made it obligatory to teach other religions in schools alongside Catholicism, the faith of nearly four in five Bolivians. But it lost a major skirmish when it tried to prohibit obligatory Catholic religious education in the 15 percent of schools run by the church.

In the heat of the dispute, Morales accused Cardinal Julio Terrazas, then head of the Bolivian bishop's conference, of being aligned with the opposition and stripped him of his diplomatic passport.

All official ceremonies in Bolivia are now preceded by rituals venerating the Andean earth goddess Pachamana.

That doesn't square with the Bolivian church hierarchy, which in a 2012 pastoral letter called school texts that refer to Pachamana as a divinity "erroneous and a deviation."

http://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2015/07/08/church-state-tensions-in-bolivia-cloud-pope-francis-visit
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Church-state tensions in Bolivia cloud Pope's visit... (Original Post) onager Jul 2015 OP
But . . . but . . . everybody LOVES Blank Frank! mr blur Jul 2015 #1
Morales is basically shining a light on the sins of the RCC Curmudgeoness Jul 2015 #2
This is the same Catholic church that operates in the us Lordquinton Jul 2015 #3
And what do you get for the WonderPope who has everything? onager Jul 2015 #4
 

mr blur

(7,753 posts)
1. But . . . but . . . everybody LOVES Blank Frank!
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 09:17 AM
Jul 2015

He's changed so much! He loves gay people! He's dragged the RCC kicking and screaming into the 14th Century!

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
2. Morales is basically shining a light on the sins of the RCC
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 03:52 PM
Jul 2015

during the time that it came to Bolivia like rats from a ship---heading in all directions to promote itself to the "savages". But instead of apologizing for the presumption that the indigenous people were heathens and savages, the church is doubling down with continued abuse of the local religion---from before there was a RCC.

So what is Pope Francis doing to make up for the past and current abuses?

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
3. This is the same Catholic church that operates in the us
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 04:15 PM
Jul 2015

And it's followers are counted the same world wide. Support for the church is support for their actions, it's so sad we have to tip toe around that because some liberals might be offended.

onager

(9,356 posts)
4. And what do you get for the WonderPope who has everything?
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 12:16 AM
Jul 2015

How about a nifty combination crucifix and hammer-and-sickle decoration?



Love the Pope's expression. It would be exactly the same if Morales had presented him with a giant steaming turd:



http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/09/bolivia-communist-crucifix-gift-pope-francis

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