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trotsky

(49,533 posts)
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 03:37 PM Aug 2015

Mormons publish photos of 'seer stone' used by founder

http://www.oaoa.com/people/religion/article_9c6e2de1-a80b-510f-b461-68a204a9a4e5.html

SALT LAKE CITY (AP) — The Mormon church for the first time is publishing photos of a small sacred stone it believes founder Joseph Smith used to help translate the story that became the basis of the religion.

The pictures of the smooth, brown, egg-sized rock are part of a new book that also contains photos of the first printer's manuscript of the Book of Mormon. Officials with The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints unveiled it Tuesday at a news conference in Salt Lake City.

It's the religion's latest step in a push to be more transparent about its history and tenets. The church's effort in recent years to be more open about its past was triggered by the religion's increasing prominence as its membership tripled over the past three decades to 15 million worldwide today. Questions emerged about the burgeoning faith, with some criticizing it for being secretive about its beliefs and practices.

Mormons believe that 185 years ago, Smith found gold plates engraved with writing in ancient Egyptian in upstate New York. They say that God helped him translate the text using the stone and other tools, which became known as the Book of Mormon.


Sadly there are no photos at the link. But if you punch "Mormon seer stone" into the Google, you can see a few candidates.

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Mormons publish photos of 'seer stone' used by founder (Original Post) trotsky Aug 2015 OP
What, no pictures of the gold plates? arcane1 Aug 2015 #1
My first thought as well. Curmudgeoness Aug 2015 #6
Here's the thing about the gold plates: deucemagnet Aug 2015 #16
Wait, are you saying their bullshit is horseshit?? arcane1 Aug 2015 #17
and Smith supposedly Brainstormy Aug 2015 #24
Did they publish photos of the hat too? Solly Mack Aug 2015 #2
I, too, would like to see that hat! BillZBubb Aug 2015 #3
I'm betting it was a top hat. Solly Mack Aug 2015 #4
He pulled it out of his hat, Curmudgeoness Aug 2015 #7
I bought a worry stone in Ireland. All I got was a callus. Solly Mack Aug 2015 #8
Sounds like you worry too much! Curmudgeoness Aug 2015 #9
Fiestaware for me. No gold color though. Solly Mack Aug 2015 #10
Don't sell yourself short. bvf Aug 2015 #12
Oooo! That does sound nice! Solly Mack Aug 2015 #13
And if Homer Laughlin bvf Aug 2015 #14
I'll just cut them in on the profits. Solly Mack Aug 2015 #15
OMFSM I love fiestaware OriginalGeek Aug 2015 #21
It's been a lifelong love for me too. Solly Mack Aug 2015 #22
my first cup of coffee OriginalGeek Aug 2015 #26
Love the story! You should do it. You can buy separate pieces, so a coffee mug Solly Mack Aug 2015 #27
Joseph Smith awoke_in_2003 Aug 2015 #35
They say that God helped him translate the text using the stone and other tools, AlbertCat Aug 2015 #5
If there is one thing we've learned about God Arugula Latte Aug 2015 #18
Don't forget that god only loves you if you wear a funny hat. Binkie The Clown Aug 2015 #20
I have some white gravel that the sacred Mother Mary's olddots Aug 2015 #11
I wonder if they keep their magic stones in their magic underwear? n/t Binkie The Clown Aug 2015 #19
I think it's a coprolith n/t vanamonde Aug 2015 #23
Ha! trotsky Aug 2015 #25
lol! Solly Mack Aug 2015 #28
Always think that the angel Moroni was unfortunately, but accurately, named. Also, mr blur Aug 2015 #29
God's movements are indeed unpredictable, Arugula Latte Aug 2015 #31
The sad thing, for me, is... NeoGreen Aug 2015 #30
I have two sisters-in-law, one a Mormon and one an atheist. LiberalAndProud Aug 2015 #33
Very funny thread.. Dum dum dum dum dum. mountain grammy Aug 2015 #32
God is very angry at you Capt. Obvious Aug 2015 #34

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
6. My first thought as well.
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 04:15 PM
Aug 2015

We all know that if there were gold plates, they would have been more cherished than the seer stone. But what gets saved???? The fucking stone.

deucemagnet

(4,549 posts)
16. Here's the thing about the gold plates:
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 10:03 PM
Aug 2015
Description of the Plates

Joseph Smith said that the ancient records were engraved on plates which had the appearance of gold, each plate was six inches wide and eight inches long, and not quite so thick as common tin. They were filled with engravings, in Egyptian Characters, and bound together in a volume as the leaves of a book, with three rings running through the whole. The volume was something near six inches in thickness, a part of which was sealed. The characters on the unsealed part were small, and beautifully engraved. The whole book exhibited many marks of antiquity in its construction, and much skill in the art of engraving.

http://www.mormonwiki.com/Gold_Plates


So the gold plates were approximately 6" x 8" x 6" (15.24 cm x 20.32 cm x 15.24 cm). This works out to a volume of 288 cubic inches or about 4720 cubic centimeters. Gold has a density of 19.32 g/cm3 making Joseph Smith's gold tablets about 91 kilograms or 200 pounds. That's a pretty fucking heavy book to be lugging around, unless, of course it was a magical book with "the appearance of gold" or those who touched the book were imbued with incredible strength by the Divine. Or I suppose the whole story could be horseshit.

Brainstormy

(2,428 posts)
24. and Smith supposedly
Wed Aug 5, 2015, 08:56 AM
Aug 2015

ran away from pursuers with these gold plates in a sack. Or I suppose the whole story could be horseshit.

Solly Mack

(92,795 posts)
2. Did they publish photos of the hat too?
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 03:46 PM
Aug 2015

He put the rock in a hat first.

So, uh...he pulled a religion out of his, er...hat.

LMAO.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
3. I, too, would like to see that hat!
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 03:56 PM
Aug 2015

A hat, a stone and some really gullible people. Voila a "religion" is born!

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
9. Sounds like you worry too much!
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 04:28 PM
Aug 2015

No hat will help you though....without gold plates. All I have is Corelle.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
14. And if Homer Laughlin
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 07:07 PM
Aug 2015

gives you any grief in court, you could always countersue under one religious freedom statute or another.

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
21. OMFSM I love fiestaware
Wed Aug 5, 2015, 12:08 AM
Aug 2015

From the time I was 3 or 4 I remember visiting grandma and she served every meal on fiestaware. My wife gets annoyed when we're walking through a flea market or even a store (they still sell it) and I see some Fiestaware and holler "GRANDMA'S DISHES!"

I don't care - it was fun times. I tried to get some of hers when she died but all her stuff was already sold or divvied up by my mom and aunt. I keep thinking of just getting some of my own but I kinda wanted Grandma's and not sure it would be the same. But I love seeing it in stores and antique shops.

Solly Mack

(92,795 posts)
22. It's been a lifelong love for me too.
Wed Aug 5, 2015, 01:35 AM
Aug 2015

I've got some old pieces but most of it is newer.

Fiestaware is just fun!

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
26. my first cup of coffee
Wed Aug 5, 2015, 09:51 AM
Aug 2015

grandma drank coffee all day every day but she was old by the time I knew her and she didn't like brewing it because it was just too much trouble so she used instant. She drank hers black but for me she basically counted out about 10 grains of instant coffee and put it in the hot water with enough milk and sugar that you could barely tell it was no longer white. I just loved that sweet drink in the little fiestaware mug on the little saucer. The clink as you put it back down, the dribble of coffee that ran down the side of the cup and settled in the saucer ring...

yep, I'm gonna get some. Even if it's just one set for me. (Wife has big decorating plans in the near future and I'm not sure the happy pastel colors of Fiestaware fit in with her plans. lol)

Solly Mack

(92,795 posts)
27. Love the story! You should do it. You can buy separate pieces, so a coffee mug
Wed Aug 5, 2015, 10:05 AM
Aug 2015

and saucer is possible without purchasing an entire set or even a place setting. I buy mine by the place setting because I like my table to be colorful. I keep an old set of restaurant style white plates and bowls that I've collected over the years for family who insist on matching china. The heavy stuff found in diners years ago.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
5. They say that God helped him translate the text using the stone and other tools,
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 04:15 PM
Aug 2015

Other tools....

Google translate?

That would explain a LOT!



So.... why didn't god just translate it in the 1st place? I guess god never studied in Ancient Egyptian class in High School

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
20. Don't forget that god only loves you if you wear a funny hat.
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 11:39 PM
Aug 2015

From Tibetan Buddhists



to Catholic Popes



to Pastafarians

 

olddots

(10,237 posts)
11. I have some white gravel that the sacred Mother Mary's
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 05:00 PM
Aug 2015

breast milk dripped on .It comes in two size bags at a very reasonable price and if you buy it today we will throw in a genuine E Meter signed by Babe Ruth and Elvis .

 

mr blur

(7,753 posts)
29. Always think that the angel Moroni was unfortunately, but accurately, named. Also,
Wed Aug 5, 2015, 12:09 PM
Aug 2015

why didn't Gawd just carve them in early 19th Century American English, so that Smith wouldn't need help understanding them?

Is this just him moving in mysterious ways again?

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
31. God's movements are indeed unpredictable,
Wed Aug 5, 2015, 02:06 PM
Aug 2015

but seem to have gotten more regular now that He's added more fiber to His diet.

NeoGreen

(4,033 posts)
30. The sad thing, for me, is...
Wed Aug 5, 2015, 12:24 PM
Aug 2015

...every time I go to my brother's for a family visit, I have to drive past that small hill where they stage their annual love fest known as the Hill Cumorah...




where they wear their Cecil B. DeMille inspired garb...



If you have ever completed a minimal level of inquiry/research into the origins of what is now known as the CoLDS

...O...M...G...

These people are soooo gullible (IMHO) and not far removed from scientologists.

Insanity is not the word to describe it.

Look up the "White Toad" or "White Salamander" letter.

BTW, jury....

Insert the Standard A&A Safe Haven Disclaimer...(here)....

oh..and the "G" above in my drawn out "OMG" is short for Goodness, not that imaginary sky "g" thingy people are always talking about.


LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
33. I have two sisters-in-law, one a Mormon and one an atheist.
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 12:39 PM
Aug 2015

Guess which one needs to be converted according to the family? Hint: it's not the one who believes really crazy shit with no evidence whatsoever.

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