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Funniest religious joke of all time. (Original Post) Mr.Bill Aug 2015 OP
. SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #1
they didn't ever pass that law, did they? RussBLib Aug 2015 #5
"the British are renowed for being reserved and not wanting to offend" trotsky Aug 2015 #6
I know I know RussBLib Aug 2015 #8
Funniest joke.... Monty Python.... you asked for it! AlbertCat Aug 2015 #10
It was amended to what has seemed a workable law muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #9
It's one of my favorites. progressoid Aug 2015 #2
. bvf Aug 2015 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author Pacifist Patriot Aug 2015 #4
A cup of coffee every day... deucemagnet Aug 2015 #7

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
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Wed Aug 12, 2015, 10:23 PM
Aug 2015


"Second, I learned why Ship of Fools was running the poll ... to shed light on the possible effect if the British government goes ahead with its intention to outlaw "offensive" religious jokes. Such a law would be a bad idea, for the simple reason that jokes are how we humans avoid violence. Jokes are our safety-release mechanism. Sure they can sometimes be offensive. So can burps. But if you ban them even worse results happen."

RussBLib

(9,666 posts)
5. they didn't ever pass that law, did they?
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 08:58 AM
Aug 2015

It seems totally anathema to a free society, but the British are renowed for being reserved and not wanting to offend.

muriel_volestrangler

(102,478 posts)
9. It was amended to what has seemed a workable law
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 08:52 AM
Aug 2015
Racial and Religious Hatred Act 2006

A bill outlawing incitement to religious hatred was one of the Labour party's manifesto promises during the 2005 general election. Muslim groups, including the Muslim Council of Britain, wanted the same kind of legal protection for their faith that was offered to Jews and Sikhs who were already covered by existing race hatred laws.

A high-profile campaign including writers, actors and comedians lobbied parliament to reject the bill. The movement's figurehead was comedian Rowan Atkinson who claimed the bill would restrict the right to make light of religious sensibilities. Atkinson said: "To criticise a person for their race is manifestly irrational and ridiculous but to criticise their religion, that is a right. That is a freedom."

Even on its third endeavour the government failed to secure some key elements of the act. It lost a key vote to overturn two amendments introduced by the House of Lords after Labour whips miscalculated voting numbers and failed to recall a team of MPs campaigning in a local by-election. The Lords amendments limited the legislation to "A person who uses threatening words or behaviour, or displays any written material which is threatening...if he intends thereby to stir up religious hatred", thereby restricting the offences to intentional acts of stirring up religious hatred. These changes also ensured that an individual charged with an offence must be shown to have used "threatening" language – rather than the broader government clause of "threatening, insulting and abusive" language.
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However, Liberty later described the act that passed both houses as "a great improvement on the bill proposed by the government. Criminalising even the most unpalatable, illiberal and offensive speech should be approached with grave caution in a democracy. Free speech is far more precious than protection from being offended."

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/libertycentral/2008/dec/16/racial-religious-hatred-act

A paper for Parliament says that, by August 2011, there had been 2 prosecutions for inciting religious hatred under the act, and one conviction, which I think was this:

In May 2010 a British student, Roshanara Choudhry, stabbed her local MP, Stephen Timms, during a constituency meeting. Her explanation to the police in interview was that she had become convinced that this was her obligation after watching videos of radical preachers, because Mr Timms had voted in favour of the war in Iraq.

On 4 November 2010 Ms Choudhry was sentenced to life imprisonment for attempted murder. That same day Bilal Ahmad, a computer graduate from Nottingham, published an article on a well known extremist website based in the U.S. praising Ms Choudhry as a heroine. In this article he provided religious justification for her actions, produced a list of all of the MPs who had also voted in favour of the war in Iraq, provided instructions on how to make appointments with them and provided a link to a supermarket website which sold knives.

When the police arrested Mr Ahmad they found evidence of a considerable volume of other online activity on his laptop. These included threatening comments about Hindus posted in March 2009 on an online forum in response to a newspaper article about Muslim girls being targeted for wearing the veil to college. He was also found to have collected electronic copies of a number of terrorist publications.

On 29 June 2011, Mr. Ahmad was sentenced for soliciting murder, contrary to section 4 of the Offences against the Person Act 1861, stirring up religious hatred, contrary to section 29C Public Order Act 1986 (as amended by The Racial and Religious Hatred Act 2006) and three offences of collecting material likely to be of use to a person preparing or committing an act of terrorism, contrary to section 58(1)(a) Terrorism Act 2000. He received a custodial sentence of 12 years.

http://www.cps.gov.uk/publications/prosecution/ctd_2011.html#a08

The 'religious hatred' conviction, which appears to be for the online 'threatening comments about Hindus' was overshadowed by the 'soliciting murder' one.

The CPS report points out Section 29J of the Act as passed:
“Protection of freedom of expression

Nothing in this Part shall be read or given effect in a way which prohibits or restricts discussion, criticism or expressions of antipathy, dislike, ridicule, insult or abuse of particular religions or the beliefs or practices of their adherents, or of any other belief system or the beliefs or practices of its adherents, or proselytising or urging adherents of a different religion or belief system to cease practising their religion or belief system.”

Response to bvf (Reply #3)

deucemagnet

(4,549 posts)
7. A cup of coffee every day...
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 11:16 AM
Aug 2015
· A Mormon told me that they don't drink coffee. I said, "A cup of coffee every day gives you wonderful benefits." He said, "Like what?" I said, "Well, it keeps you from being Mormon ..."


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