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Related: About this forumOklahoma Attorney General Can’t Decide if Ten Commandments Monument is Religious or Not
Back in June, the Oklahoma Supreme Court ruled 7-2 that a Ten Commandments monument on the grounds of the State Capitol was unconstitutional:
The Governor ordered the monument to stay put while the state appealed the decision any way it could. That led Attorney General Scott Pruitt to file a request for a rehearing of the case.
His argument? The monument wasnt religious. It was a part of the nations legal history! Furthermore, other supposedly-religious monuments/buildings were deemed legal because of their secular nature.
The Oklahoma Supreme Courts ruling was wrong because it ignored the profound historical impact of the Ten Commandments, and contradicted previous decisions of the court. The court previously upheld as constitutional a 50-foot tall lighted cross on public property and blessed the construction of a chapel at a state-owned orphanage. Now, the court is bucking its own precedent and misconstruing a section of the state Constitution that permitted those displays to order the removal of the privately funded Ten Commandments display.
Hes now arguing that taking down the monument creates hostility toward religion.
In other words, the monument is so religious that taking it down would be an affront to Christians:
In defending the Ten Commandments display, my office argued the monument was lawfully permitted on Capitol grounds because of the historical significance of the text on the development of Western legal code. In its decision to remove the monument, the Oklahoma Supreme Court held that no matter how historically significant or beneficial to the state, state law prohibits any item on state property or to be funded by the state if it is at all religious in nature. That declaration prohibits manifestations of faith from the public square in such a way as to create hostility toward religion in violation of the U.S. Constitution.
This is just ridiculous. As everyone has been saying for a long time, the Ten Commandments monument can stay put as long as other religious displays, like the Satanic Temples Baphomet monument, get to go up as well. But Pruitt doesnt consider that an option.
In the meantime, he cant decide if the monument is religious or not. And he doesnt seem to give a damn about maintaining logical consistency.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2015/09/04/oklahoma-attorney-general-cant-decide-if-ten-commandments-monument-is-religious-or-not
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Nope, nothing religious about that at all.
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)Seems rather vague.
onager
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I also noticed this from the OKey-Dokey Attorney General: "In defending the Ten Commandments display, my office argued the monument was lawfully permitted on Capitol grounds because of the historical significance of the text on the development of Western legal code."
Huh? One T. Jefferson studied that question extensively back in the 18th century, and concluded that the Ten Commandments had NO effect on the "Western legal code" as adopted in the USA. IIRC, Jefferson concluded that U.S. law evolved from British common law, which existed when Britain was still pagan and nobody there had ever heard of a Xian.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)I think it comes from the Evangelical revisionist camp, David Barton being a leader, I think?
It's becoming more and more common to hear the wing-nuts say things just like "because of the historical significance of the text on the development of Western legal code" every time this topic comes up. Facts be damned.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)History, facts, logic, so much fail...
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Well.... that proves it IS religious. No?
mountain grammy
(27,273 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)The logic is weak in this one.
kdmorris
(5,649 posts)because those first words are in BIG letters... I AM THE LORD THY GOD.
Religion <> God, of course....
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I wonder if they were on the original tablets too?
kdmorris
(5,649 posts)Along with the all seeing eye!
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)He just doesn't see a problem with that, and only argues that it is historical because he has to.
Ask any Christian, even the most devout, if the Ten Commandments have anything to do with religion.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)They're going to put the Onion out of business if they keep this up.
marym625
(17,997 posts)This is so out there it's comedy gold.