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mountain grammy

(27,273 posts)
Sun Sep 20, 2015, 11:30 AM Sep 2015

"THE POPE IS WRONG" says Catholic Governor Christie

Isn't the Pope infallible?

Will Christie be excommunicated from the Roman Catholic Church?

These and other burning questions are keeping me up at night. Well, not really, but JEEEEESUS. Everyone in Cuba should suffer because revenge.


http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/20/politics/chris-christie-pope-francis-cuba/

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"THE POPE IS WRONG" says Catholic Governor Christie (Original Post) mountain grammy Sep 2015 OP
Well, he had an excuse for how he could disagree, Curmudgeoness Sep 2015 #1
Catholic Christie is not a clear thinker...a universal regressive's problem... sanatanadharma Sep 2015 #2
He's only infallible when wearing the big pope hat Lordquinton Sep 2015 #3
Ugh. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #4
What does the Dali Lama have to say about it? AlbertCat Sep 2015 #5

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
1. Well, he had an excuse for how he could disagree,
Sun Sep 20, 2015, 02:46 PM
Sep 2015

saying that the Pope is infallible on religious matters, but not on political ones. I wonder how he will like the religious matters that the Pope has been speaking about, like taxing churches if they are not charitable. Or is that political instead of religious too?

sanatanadharma

(4,074 posts)
2. Catholic Christie is not a clear thinker...a universal regressive's problem...
Sun Sep 20, 2015, 03:32 PM
Sep 2015

...saying of the Pope, "The fact is that his infallibility is on religious matters, not on political ones,".

We can all "wonder how he will like the religious matters that the Pope has been speaking about, like taxing churches if they are not charitable. Or is that political instead of religious too?".

My suggestion for a better meme in these matters is to understand and say that the Pope is speaking about morality and ethics.
For a Catholic, the Pope is infallible in speaking for Jesus' message; that message is wholly morality.
Morality and ethics very much belong in our nation political dialog.

One limited, reality-challenged point of view based in willful ignorance can not be allowed to say what morality is; nor to claim that ethics is rooted only in one limited scripture.

I'd be delighted if the REGRESSIVES (correct label for the right-wing evangelical, republican, falsely called conservative) stopped using applying their absolutist god-given mandates and instead applied our god-given manifest-human compassion and sensitivity and love and inclusiveness and etcetera.

We are the progressives. Why, when most everyone wants 'progress' (variously defined), is the word/concept/action called "progressive" so rejected by the regressives? RECLAIM the NAME

The Progressive, upon investigating the reality of the status quo, says we can make it better. example: Voter rights.
The Conservative, upon investigating the reality of the status quo, says we can live with it. example: Tens of thousands of American gun deaths annually.
The Regressive, upon rejecting reality for a fantasy of the status quo ante, says we can roll it back. Example: Eliminate unions.

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
3. He's only infallible when wearing the big pope hat
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 12:17 PM
Sep 2015

which rarely happens. When he doesn't activate infallible mode he's merely stating his opinion.

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