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beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 12:34 AM Oct 2015

Military Official Claims “God Bless” Sign on Base is Secular

Military Official Claims “God Bless” Sign on Base is Secular
October 18, 2015 by Rachel Ford

“May the Force be with the military, their families, and the civilians who work with them.”

The above is one of nine new signs the Military Religious Freedom Foundation is requesting on Marine Corps Base Hawaii. They would join the only current religious sign on the base, which reads “God bless the military, their families, and the civilians who work with them.”



The request to add a sign invoking the Force comes after Colonel Sean C. Killeen, USMC, responded to the MRFF’s earlier objections about the “God bless” sign with the rather unconvincing claim that “God bless” is really a secular, non-religious expression:

“God Bless” is commonly used in our culture in a number of contexts and there are numerous references to God in this nation’s symbols, songs, mottos and oaths. This sign has the secular purpose of conveying a message of support, does not advance or inhibit religion or any particular faith, nor does it foster excessive government entanglement with religion.


As Michael Bongiorno, one of the people who contacted MRFF about the sign, notes,

Either this defense is simply a wink and nod to all of Col. Killeen’s Christian Marines, or else he truly believes that the expressions “God Bless,” “In God We Trust,” “Under God,” and “So Help Me God,” have no religious meaning whatsoever.

In order for this defense to work, one must believe that such seemingly religious statements are really entirely secular in nature. The Colonel is declaring to all of his Christian, Jewish, and Muslim troops that these maxims have absolutely no ground in theological belief. He is arguing that since they have been used so often they are now entirely secular and that they are, for all intents and purposes, meaningless.



It is patently absurd to argue that invoking a deity in blessing, swearing an oath to a god, etc., is anything but religious in nature. The god to whom people go looking for blessings or to whom they swear oaths in this context is not a generic god, not any random one of many gods, but a very specific one: the capital-g God of the Abrahamic faiths. And usually, the Christian version.


More: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2015/10/18/military-official-claims-god-bless-sign-on-base-is-secular
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Military Official Claims “God Bless” Sign on Base is Secular (Original Post) beam me up scottie Oct 2015 OP
This makes one wonder if his field is military intelligence? edgineered Oct 2015 #1
I really hope not. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #2
No, bmus, he wasn't in intelligence. Much more dangerous than that. edgineered Oct 2015 #3
If "God bless" is secular, is "fucking" an obscenity? DetlefK Oct 2015 #4
Fundamentalist logic. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #6
And God damn it isn't blasphemy or sacrilege. Curmudgeoness Oct 2015 #5
Even when they know the truth it doesn't matter. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #7
Pity that had to go..... Curmudgeoness Oct 2015 #8
I like this picture better: beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #9
I didn't see that before.... Curmudgeoness Oct 2015 #10
SATAN!!! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #11
To be fair, Curmudgeoness Oct 2015 #14
So God must have made a mistake? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #15
I first I was confused at why the secret service was involved Lordquinton Oct 2015 #16
The Lord Jehova has given unto thee the 15...oy. 10! 10 Commandments! cleanhippie Oct 2015 #12
I love that one! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #13

edgineered

(2,101 posts)
1. This makes one wonder if his field is military intelligence?
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 01:14 AM
Oct 2015


(Vote for the D nominee, but pass out pencils at the polls anyway)

edgineered

(2,101 posts)
3. No, bmus, he wasn't in intelligence. Much more dangerous than that.
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 01:35 AM
Oct 2015

He is a naval aviator. Those friggin guys are rugged, and sometimes, sometimes, they are not hardheaded bastards. Obviously this gawd fearing man is gentle and understanding.

DetlefK

(16,455 posts)
4. If "God bless" is secular, is "fucking" an obscenity?
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 05:13 AM
Oct 2015

"God bless" gets used all the time in non-religious situations, so it has become non-religious. But if "fucking" gets used outside of hostile, insulting situations, does that mean that fucking is no longer an obscenity?

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
5. And God damn it isn't blasphemy or sacrilege.
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 12:51 PM
Oct 2015

Is that what he is saying?

He might want to look into the history of many of those "god" related references used by our government. They don't go back to the founding of the country, but many originate from the McCarthy era of the 50's when everyone was so concerned about those "godless commies".

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
7. Even when they know the truth it doesn't matter.
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 04:35 PM
Oct 2015

They want us to remain a God soaked culture so that we don't notice or protest when they cross the line.





Pity that had to go.


beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
15. So God must have made a mistake?
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 09:26 PM
Oct 2015

Nah, he never makes mistakes, so he must have hated that monument and pretended to be Satan.

Yeah, that's the ticket!


Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
16. I first I was confused at why the secret service was involved
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 07:50 PM
Oct 2015

But then Oklahoma city federal building, and it made sense.

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