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Related: About this forumMilitary Official Claims “God Bless” Sign on Base is Secular
October 18, 2015 by Rachel Ford
May the Force be with the military, their families, and the civilians who work with them.
The above is one of nine new signs the Military Religious Freedom Foundation is requesting on Marine Corps Base Hawaii. They would join the only current religious sign on the base, which reads God bless the military, their families, and the civilians who work with them.
The request to add a sign invoking the Force comes after Colonel Sean C. Killeen, USMC, responded to the MRFFs earlier objections about the God bless sign with the rather unconvincing claim that God bless is really a secular, non-religious expression:
God Bless is commonly used in our culture in a number of contexts and there are numerous references to God in this nations symbols, songs, mottos and oaths. This sign has the secular purpose of conveying a message of support, does not advance or inhibit religion or any particular faith, nor does it foster excessive government entanglement with religion.
As Michael Bongiorno, one of the people who contacted MRFF about the sign, notes,
Either this defense is simply a wink and nod to all of Col. Killeens Christian Marines, or else he truly believes that the expressions God Bless, In God We Trust, Under God, and So Help Me God, have no religious meaning whatsoever.
In order for this defense to work, one must believe that such seemingly religious statements are really entirely secular in nature. The Colonel is declaring to all of his Christian, Jewish, and Muslim troops that these maxims have absolutely no ground in theological belief. He is arguing that since they have been used so often they are now entirely secular and that they are, for all intents and purposes, meaningless.
It is patently absurd to argue that invoking a deity in blessing, swearing an oath to a god, etc., is anything but religious in nature. The god to whom people go looking for blessings or to whom they swear oaths in this context is not a generic god, not any random one of many gods, but a very specific one: the capital-g God of the Abrahamic faiths. And usually, the Christian version.
More: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2015/10/18/military-official-claims-god-bless-sign-on-base-is-secular
edgineered
(2,101 posts)(Vote for the D nominee, but pass out pencils at the polls anyway)
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)edgineered
(2,101 posts)He is a naval aviator. Those friggin guys are rugged, and sometimes, sometimes, they are not hardheaded bastards. Obviously this gawd fearing man is gentle and understanding.
DetlefK
(16,455 posts)"God bless" gets used all the time in non-religious situations, so it has become non-religious. But if "fucking" gets used outside of hostile, insulting situations, does that mean that fucking is no longer an obscenity?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Ur doin it wrong.
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)Is that what he is saying?
He might want to look into the history of many of those "god" related references used by our government. They don't go back to the founding of the country, but many originate from the McCarthy era of the 50's when everyone was so concerned about those "godless commies".
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)They want us to remain a God soaked culture so that we don't notice or protest when they cross the line.
Pity that had to go.
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)in the dark of night. That was the funniest part of that screw up.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)how did it happen?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)God must not be omnipotent after all...either that or he was on a coffee break.
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)Moses did the same thing with the first batch of commandments.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Nah, he never makes mistakes, so he must have hated that monument and pretended to be Satan.
Yeah, that's the ticket!
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)But then Oklahoma city federal building, and it made sense.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Mel Brooks is a national treasue.