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progressoid

(50,747 posts)
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 03:13 PM Nov 2016

The role of fundamentalism in the election.

This is a paragraph from a longer essay: On Rural America: Understanding Isn't The Problem


...In deep red, white America, the white Christian God is king, figuratively and literally. Religious fundamentalism is what has shaped most of their belief systems. Systems built on a fundamentalist framework are not conducive for introspection, questioning, learning, change. When you have a belief system that is built on fundamentalism, it isn’t open to outside criticism, especially by anyone not a member of your tribe and in a position of power. The problem isn’t “coastal elites don’t understand rural Americans.” The problem is rural America doesn’t understand itself and will NEVER listen to anyone outside their bubble. It doesn’t matter how “understanding” you are, how well you listen, what language you use…if you are viewed as an outsider, your views are automatically discounted. I’ve had hundreds of discussions with rural white Americans and whenever I present them any information that contradicts their entrenched beliefs, no matter how sound, how unquestionable, how obvious, they WILL NOT even entertain the possibility it might be true. Their refusal is a result of the nature of their fundamentalist belief system and the fact I’m the enemy because I’m an educated liberal. At some point during the discussion, “That’s your education talking,” will be said, derogatorily, as a general dismissal of everything I said. They truly believe this is a legitimate response because to them education is not to be trusted. Education is the enemy of fundamentalism because fundamentalism, by its very nature, is not built on facts. The fundamentalists I grew up around aren’t anti-education. They want their kids to know how to read and write. They are anti-quality, in-depth, broad, specialized education. Learning is only valued up to the certain point. Once it reaches the level where what you learn contradicts doctrine and fundamentalist arguments, it becomes dangerous.

more...http://forsetti.tumblr.com/post/153181757500/on-rural-america-understanding-isnt-the-problem



Cross-posted in 2016 Postmortem.
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The role of fundamentalism in the election. (Original Post) progressoid Nov 2016 OP
Oh that is so true mountain grammy Nov 2016 #1
I know some of these people too. progressoid Nov 2016 #2
The irony of it all FigTree Nov 2016 #3
I've read this essay three times Brainstormy Nov 2016 #4
And that's why fundamentalists don't care that Trump is the opposite of a good Christian. DetlefK Nov 2016 #5
..and if the evangelical "leaders" say Trump is a Christian, then.... RussBLib Nov 2016 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author Freelancer Nov 2016 #6
The US federal system already allows "going their own way" more than just about any other country muriel_volestrangler Nov 2016 #7
Ignorance and poverty are the bedrock of religion sab390 Dec 2016 #9

mountain grammy

(27,273 posts)
1. Oh that is so true
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 03:48 PM
Nov 2016

And so well written.. this I will bookmark and read often.. I know these people too and this couldn't be more spot on.

progressoid

(50,747 posts)
2. I know some of these people too.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 11:15 AM
Nov 2016

In fact, for one of my relatives, I can draw a direct line from her embracing fundamental xianism to her blind support of Trump. It's really sad to see.

FigTree

(348 posts)
3. The irony of it all
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 02:02 PM
Nov 2016

is that the man they voted for doesn’t strike as being religious... He's just your standard pussy-grabber, weathervane professional plunderer. Which indicates that even their belief-system is secondary to their racism.

Brainstormy

(2,428 posts)
4. I've read this essay three times
Sat Nov 26, 2016, 12:09 PM
Nov 2016

It absolutely NAILS what happened in the election and the state of the country.

DetlefK

(16,455 posts)
5. And that's why fundamentalists don't care that Trump is the opposite of a good Christian.
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 04:57 AM
Nov 2016

Facts don't matter. If they say that Trump is a good Christian then GODAMMIT this cheating, vindictive, narcissistic, philandering liar is good Christian.

RussBLib

(9,666 posts)
8. ..and if the evangelical "leaders" say Trump is a Christian, then....
Wed Nov 30, 2016, 04:52 PM
Nov 2016

Trump is a fucking Christian.

Emphasis on fucking. You, me, everyone.

Response to progressoid (Original post)

muriel_volestrangler

(102,477 posts)
7. The US federal system already allows "going their own way" more than just about any other country
Wed Nov 30, 2016, 07:40 AM
Nov 2016

It's not really practical to start cordoning off individual cities. But you have states with the education and healthcare systems that the far right desire already; and states with civilised versions.

sab390

(201 posts)
9. Ignorance and poverty are the bedrock of religion
Fri Dec 16, 2016, 12:47 PM
Dec 2016

As education and the middle class began to grow in the west religion began to wane. Working to spread the wealth and education would reduce the influence of religion.

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