For god's sake, there is no god, never was, not ever gonna be.

people.

It needs to be out of government, completely.

and he was only radical depending on who you ask.

Liberal Christians see Big J as being 100% on their side
Conservative Christians see Big J as being 100% on their side

who is right? It's all a matter of interpretation and neither one can claim to be any more right than the other.

Such is the conundrum of religion.

Such is why we think it is such a blight on humanity

The Catholics want to put their dogma against contraception and abortion into civil law. The Calvinists want the poor punished, just like Determinist Jebus intended, while the rich must not be subject to the law, same reason. I don't think I have to mention keeping Israel on the taxpayer tit beyond all reason, especially with their present government, but that's not purely religious.

The truth is that most religions have silly dogma they want to have the force of law, from banning fiddle playing on Sunday, to the Blue Laws, to the laws that threaten the lives of the female half of the population.

This is an important battle and isn't about whether or not an individual is a believer. It's about organized religion intruding into secular government. That wall is there for a very good reason.

Think.

We find the "battle with God" --, well firstly, it's not a "battle with God" but a "battle with the daily erosion of the already tenuous line that separates Church and State" and "a battle with the encroaching religious intrusion into every aspect of our lives regardless of our choices regarding belief", and we find those things to be pretty fucking important in our lives.

And just as a reminder, since I think you are unfamiliar with this group's purpose statement:

Statement of Purpose

A place where atheists and agnostics can engage in frank discussions about the effects of religion on politics, free of debate about the existence of a deity or deities.

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Please accept my apology for my intrusion.

I wandered into many groups unintentionally in my time here.

I knew you weren't a regular here (not to sound snooty but you know what I mean) and people stumble in here (and religion) all the time unwittingly and then they're like OMG WTF LOL BBQ.

Don't be embarrassed. Take your shoes off, look around, stay a bit We don't bite. Well, not on THursdays at any rate.

Everyone is welcome here and we enjoy a good debate within the SOP of the group. Heavier theological discussions are more appropriate for the Religion group but some good stuff can be found here as well.

I'm real impressed down here, I can tell you!

it

He's courageous and a great spokesman for fact and reason.
Stay safe, Ron. These are ugly days with more assailants of stupidity finding support in this expanding world of Trumpdumbnation.

considering God seems have had some serious mood swings in the past (flood, plagues, killed his own son to save our souls, etc), there's no guarantee that his heaven is going to be all that great.

No prayers, no scripture, no "have a blessed day," etc. all voluntary, of course, but give it a try. It just might catch on.