that there is 'this life karma.'

And in this life karma - what happens is the result of what you have done. (You make, you get). He didn't mean if you do a good deed, you'll get a good deed in return. But if you do a good deed, then you are doing something positive and you feel that positivity. Sort of like if you practice negativity, then you'll feel pretty negative.

Anyway, he had no comment on any other kind of karma (and said so)

Very much agree. He differs from Hinduism, Buddhism, and Jainism traditions.

are mostly a hybrid breed

I like the idea of karma in the sense of building a bank of "good will" by doing good deeds but there is, of course, no guarantees of any such repayment. Someone could spend many years helping others, being selfless and then get a diagnosis of terminal cancer or get hit by a bus.

You're right, the important thing is feeling rewarded by knowing you've done something that benefits others and it's an added bonus if you feel appreciated for your efforts.

Between not only Christians who expected to be rewarded but a main difference between Dems and Rethugs.

"...rewarded by knowing you've done something that benefits others and it's an added bonus if you feel appreciated for your efforts."

Thank you!

I agree with your definition of karma, being that it is a result of one’s actions. Atheists only have one thing in common and that is a disbelief in god. Though most of us are skeptics, it amazes me how some can still believe in Karma, a soul or ghosts.
Nice topic.

..believing in some entity with the super power to collectively keep track and reward and punish every behavior and deed. Hmmm, that sounds familiar.

It's rather tantamount to believing in some deity, no?

Yea, sounds like a sky daddy to me

Because they care and not because they expect to be rewarded.

Reminds me a bit of this Steven Weinberg quote: “With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion."

But if you do something bad to me or my loved ones, Be damn sure that I can be karma.

Same here!

Whatever you put out there, good or not so good can come back and bite your ass with solid personal accountability or unexplainable all encompassing protection. Private miniscule moments or massive public irony.

Not a Christian, don’t believe in organized religions, rule books, churches, patriarchal cults. To each their own, just keep it your own.

I guess I am a deep-seated spiritual kind of Celtic pagan maybe old chrone not exactly Wiccan, Nature revering Devine Feminine embracing, Native American Mother Earth hugging, sixth sense, yin yang, there is a season turn turn turn, harm to none but cognicent of my own dark side moon child who believes wholeheartedly in some kind of universally individual (!) cosmic May the Force be with you power that I respect passionately.

Once the action/thought/voodoo that you do is out there, it exists. Timelessly. It’s yours and it owns you at the same time...it has it’s own incredible power or maybe...magic?

(And it is most definitely entwined and connected with the spirit of my mom, for better or worse. Heh!)

One of my favorite atheists, Sam Harris, thinks in terms of a special sort of spirituality. I happen to agree with a lot he's said and written, excluding his ME politics.

More power to you, Guilded Lilly.

We don't often get these sorts posts here in the Atheist Forum but you'll not get any argument from me. Not today anyway.

I've described myself as being spiritual before.

Your posts are welcomed by me.

you know that he only means "spirituality" in terms of enhanced consciousness through drugs, meditation, chanting, etc. He actually begins one of his talks by discussing how much he hates having to use the word. Harris is not a supernaturalist in any sense of the word and would never say he believes in "karma."

Very nice Lilly.

This is DU's ATHEIST forum, btw.

According to a 2015 international survey data, reported by Keysar & Navarro-Rivera in the Oxford Handbook of Atheism, there are approximately 450-500 million non-believers in God worldwide, which amounts to about 7% of the global adult population.

According to the Pew Research Center, if that category is broadened to include all non-religious people in general — those unaffiliated adults who do not identify with any religion — we’re talking 1.1 billion people, which equals about 16.5% of the global adult population.

As such, “non-religious” is actually the 3rd largest group of thought on religion in the world, coming only behind Christianity (in first place) and Islam (in second).

Thus, there are more secular men and women on planet earth — many of whom are atheists and agnostics — than there are Hindus, Buddhists, Mormons, Sikhs, Jains, or Jews.

That said, numbers have little to do with reason and logic!



Bye now. 🐦

Snark back at you.

And, btw, I found myself checking your profile the other day for some reason.

An ignore button.

That's my philosophy. Its like a pyramid scheme. You do something good for somebody, they're inspired to do something good, and on and on. Watch the movie of the same name sometime, although it stars the now despised Kevin Spacey (still a great role), Helen Hunt, Haley Joel Osment.

"The story of a social studies teacher who gives an assignment to his junior high school class to think of an idea to change the world for the better, then put it into action. When one young student creates a plan for "paying forward" favors, he not only affects the life of his struggling single mother, but he sets in motion an unprecedented wave of human kindness which, unbeknownst to him, has blossomed into a profound national phenomenon."

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I do love the concept and truly try to practice it. I've seen the movie twice on HBO, btw.

Doing good things for people is not metaphysical in any sense.

From Wiki: Karma refers to the spiritual principle of cause and effect where intent and actions of an individual influence the future of that individual.

Nothing mystical or mumbo jumbo, just a matter of "treat people like crap and they treat you like crap in return."

But it's not what most folks mean when they say karma. It's the woo-woo common meaning I object to.

It is, in fact, experiencing the results of one's own actions for good or for evil. It's not rocket science. Karma means that if you do things to hurt people it will hurt you to an equal degree in the long run. Winning the lottery has nothing to do with karma. Seem like you have a problem with the word because of its origins in a spiritual context. Get over it. Don't twist the meaning to suit your own bias, whatever they may be.

Similarly, I dislike hearing MLK quoted about the moral arc of the universe. The universe has no moral arc.

Especially the scientists.

Btw, I've had the pleasure of speaking with Lawrence Krauss.

I had read that he was quoting someone, but I didn't remember who that was.

Although I always thought John had meant this in a metaphysical way, you cause me to search for his evolved beliefs and, I found this in Wiki:

"Although he commonly rejected the notion of religion, he did claim to have a spiritual side. In an interview conducted in September 1980, Lennon told Playboy journalist David Sheff "People always got the image I was an anti-Christ or antireligion. I'm not. I'm a most religious fellow."[17] When talking about Bob Dylan's new-found Christianity, John said, "But the whole religion business suffers from the 'Onward, Christian Soldiers' bit. There's too much talk about soldiers and marching and converting. I'm not pushing Buddhism, because I'm no more a Buddhist than I am a Christian, but there's one thing I admire about the religion [Buddhism]: There's no proselytizing."[17] After his death in 1980, his wife, Yoko Ono said "John loved and prayed for the human race. Please pray the same for him."

in its vernacular sense of "what goes around comes round." You reap what you sow, all that. Methaphysically, it's nonsense.

Perhaps I'm wrong and that's what most mean? Just not in my social circles.

Everything leaves SOME kind of dent.