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lindysalsagal

(22,374 posts) Mon Dec 20, 2021, 04:34 PM Dec 2021

In carol season: The lord's prayer is just begging for food and money. Analysis:

I'm hearing all the carols, and this one arrives as a epiphany:

Boiled down from the flowery king-jamesey ruffles, it's only 3 things:

1. The sucking-up: "our lord who art in heaven, hallowed blah blah blah....thy will, blah blah."
2. The begging: "daily bread, forgiveness of debts, and other people's debt to us.
3. sex, fear (the evil crap)
4. Final sucking-up.

But, of course, it's dressed up in silken finery, with ethereal strings and bliss-inducing harmonies, carried on world-class voices and instruments, making it out to be something totally profound. Instead, when you think about it: hunger, fear, horny.

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In carol season: The lord's prayer is just begging for food and money. Analysis: (Original Post) lindysalsagal Dec 2021 OP

Reminds me of Bart Simpson saying grace: Mr.Bill Dec 2021 #1

When I hear people thanking gawd for the huge dinner that took days to prepare, I always wanna lindysalsagal Dec 2021 #3

Here's a couple of interesting points PJMcK Dec 2021 #2

The nuns left out the sex parts when they taught us this prayer. Irish_Dem Dec 2021 #4

Good question. I have never felt horny saying the Lord's Prayer. No Vested Interest Dec 2021 #5

Right. I am waiting for the OP to post the juicy bits the nuns kept hidden from us. Irish_Dem Dec 2021 #7

Good question. I have never felt horny saying the Lord's Prayer. No Vested Interest Dec 2021 #6

"Lead us not into temptation" lindysalsagal Dec 2021 #8

Oh my. I learned this prayer at age 6. Irish_Dem Dec 2021 #9

Well. there are seven deadly sins; we didn't know that at age 6. No Vested Interest Dec 2021 #10

I think that's where the trespassing comes in. nt Gore1FL Jan 2022 #13

..... Irish_Dem Jan 2022 #14

I actually heard a Christian historian break down the prayer Farmer-Rick Dec 2021 #11

Historically, the Lord's Prayer has been used... old as dirt Dec 2021 #12

Mr.Bill

(24,790 posts)

1. Reminds me of Bart Simpson saying grace:

Reply to lindysalsagal (Original post)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 04:38 PM

Dec 2021

Dear God, we bought all this food ourselves so thanks for nothing.

lindysalsagal

(22,374 posts)

3. When I hear people thanking gawd for the huge dinner that took days to prepare, I always wanna

Reply to Mr.Bill (Reply #1)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 05:29 PM

Dec 2021

scream, "gawd had nothing to do with it! how about thanking the cook, the shopper, the kitchen organizer, the kitchen/dishwasher, the delivery service (same person) and the person who worked hard to afford it all!!!"

PJMcK

(22,886 posts)

2. Here's a couple of interesting points

Reply to lindysalsagal (Original post)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 04:52 PM

Dec 2021

The Lord's Prayer is ascribed to Jesus in the Gospels of Matthew (6: 9-13) and Luke (11:2-4). Nice of them to be somewhat consistent.

It's interesting that he never refers to himself in the prayer.

It's interesting that the prayer is actually not Christian-specific, that is, it doesn't invoke a specific god or faith.

It's also interesting that it's intended to be the archetype of prayer in general.

Frankly, I don't believe any of it today but I was deeply educated and indoctrinated in Christianity as a child and teenager.

Irish_Dem

(57,386 posts)

4. The nuns left out the sex parts when they taught us this prayer.

Reply to lindysalsagal (Original post)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 06:15 PM

Dec 2021

Where is the horny part of this prayer?

No Vested Interest

(5,196 posts)

5. Good question. I have never felt horny saying the Lord's Prayer.

Reply to Irish_Dem (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 06:40 PM

Dec 2021

Maybe it's just me...

Irish_Dem

(57,386 posts)

7. Right. I am waiting for the OP to post the juicy bits the nuns kept hidden from us.

Reply to No Vested Interest (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 06:45 PM

Dec 2021

No Vested Interest

(5,196 posts)

6. Good question. I have never felt horny saying the Lord's Prayer.

Reply to Irish_Dem (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 06:41 PM

Dec 2021

(Got so excited I posted twice!)

lindysalsagal

(22,374 posts)

8. "Lead us not into temptation"

Reply to Irish_Dem (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 09:46 PM

Dec 2021

Irish_Dem

(57,386 posts)

9. Oh my. I learned this prayer at age 6.

Reply to lindysalsagal (Reply #8)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 10:51 PM

Dec 2021

Probably said it hundreds of times.

I always thought it meant to be led into general evil.
Never realized it was about specifically sex.

No Vested Interest

(5,196 posts)

10. Well. there are seven deadly sins; we didn't know that at age 6.

Reply to Irish_Dem (Reply #9)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 02:11 AM

Dec 2021

The greatest of the seven deadlies is pride.
Lust, which is illicit sex, is number three.
Likely learned a little (very little) about that around grade 6 or 7.

So yeah, temptation is general - or all variety- of evil.

Gore1FL

(21,883 posts)

13. I think that's where the trespassing comes in. nt

Reply to Irish_Dem (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 27, 2022, 10:52 PM

Jan 2022

Irish_Dem

(57,386 posts)

14. .....

Reply to Gore1FL (Reply #13)

Thu Jan 27, 2022, 11:00 PM

Jan 2022

Farmer-Rick

(11,399 posts)

11. I actually heard a Christian historian break down the prayer

Reply to lindysalsagal (Original post)

Wed Dec 22, 2021, 09:59 AM

Dec 2021

He said the prayer is misinterpreted. It was meant as an actual goal for the early Christians. A goal they would chant at their meetings.

1. The early Christians wanted to create a heaven here on earth, Not wait until they died. Thy kingdom come.....on earth as it is in heaven. Yeah, they wanted a heaven here on earth.

2. They expected this heaven on earth to include free food or bread and that no one would have any debt or owe a rich man. Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our debt as we forgive our debtors. Yes, it was real debt they wanted to do away with. It was not about people trespassing against each other. All debt would be wiped out when Christians developed this heaven on earth.

How very socialist of them.

old as dirt

(1,972 posts)

12. Historically, the Lord's Prayer has been used...

Reply to lindysalsagal (Original post)

Fri Dec 24, 2021, 02:19 PM

Dec 2021

... by militant Catholics burning Selective Service Draft records with homemade napalm.

It was part of the struggle of Church and State.

The footage below in which the Lord's Prayer is recited was deemed too dangerous to broadcast at the time.

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