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Sky Jewels

(8,824 posts)
Thu Jul 27, 2023, 12:04 PM Jul 2023

"I'm a devout Christian, but I believe in science."

No you don't.

You can't simultaneously believe in the laws of science and magic. For example, if you truly accept science, you can't believe that a deity impregnated a mortal. You can't believe that the product of this bizarre event, a carpenter from the Judea of a couple thousand years ago, was put to death but then came back to life and will return to Earth eventually to save his followers. You can't believe that a powerful invisible wizard (his "father" ) is directing things on Earth and ostensibly elsewhere/everywhere in the universe. You can't believe that there's a supernatural realm that occasionally overpowers the natural realm. You can't believe any of that magical stuff if you truly believe in science. Like the commercial says, "That's not how any of this works." The two concepts, Christianity* and science, are mutually contradictory.

Somehow, it reminds me of the "Sheldon" scene from When Harry Met Sally:



*Some "Christians" say that they just like and follow the messages attributed to Jesus in the Bible. Well, that's fine, but I was always told that being a true Christian requires faith in the magical poppycock. So, this doesn't apply to those who don't believe the supernatural stories, yet still call themselves "Christians."
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"I'm a devout Christian, but I believe in science." (Original Post) Sky Jewels Jul 2023 OP
I believe that in the years that he was missing, he was being taught by Buddhist monks who were LiberalArkie Jul 2023 #1
But Christianity is based on belief that Jesus Sky Jewels Jul 2023 #4
In your way of thinking, Big Blue Marble Jul 2023 #2
They're able to hold two contradictory belief systems in their heads simultaneously. Sky Jewels Jul 2023 #3
Exactly. Duppers Jul 2023 #11
Two quotations about religion: anciano Jul 2023 #5
Great quotes. Sky Jewels Jul 2023 #6
My favorite ☝️ Duppers Jul 2023 #12
I see a lot of compartmentalization going on Warpy Jul 2023 #7
Agreed. Sky Jewels Jul 2023 #10
I believe science and spirituality are on intersecting courses CanonRay Jul 2023 #8
Science does not actually intersect with supernaturalism, though. Sky Jewels Jul 2023 #9
Here's some science True Dough Jul 2023 #13
Ha ha Sky Jewels Jul 2023 #14

LiberalArkie

(16,614 posts)
1. I believe that in the years that he was missing, he was being taught by Buddhist monks who were
Thu Jul 27, 2023, 12:11 PM
Jul 2023

known to have been in the area at the time. Thus explaining some of his teachings and the reference to be reborn.

Note: I had my Episcopal priest when I was a kid mention it to me as he was explaining some things.

Sky Jewels

(8,824 posts)
4. But Christianity is based on belief that Jesus
Thu Jul 27, 2023, 12:39 PM
Jul 2023

was/is a supernatural being. There are all sorts of historical, real world backstories to the Bible, of course, because it is a collection of mythologies that arose out of desert-dwelling Bronze Age peoples, but devout people have “faith” in the magical stuff. The definition of faith is:belief in the absence of evidence.

Big Blue Marble

(5,482 posts)
2. In your way of thinking,
Thu Jul 27, 2023, 12:16 PM
Jul 2023

how do you explain that many scientists are still Christians? They are committed in their
efforts to use scientific method and in their faith.

Sky Jewels

(8,824 posts)
3. They're able to hold two contradictory belief systems in their heads simultaneously.
Thu Jul 27, 2023, 12:35 PM
Jul 2023

They are overriding their stated beliefs in science because they want magic to be real. But it’s not real, and there is zero scientific evidence that magic and the supernatural actually exist.

True scientists don’t carve out exceptions to scientific laws.

Duppers

(28,260 posts)
11. Exactly.
Fri Jul 28, 2023, 01:39 AM
Jul 2023

This type of scientist is very compartmentalize and not self-reflective in the least.
(Would like to see them high and watch their fallout revelations. That would present them with a few problems.)

My husband works with such a physicist. This man is defensive and takes great care to avoid some subjects.

anciano

(1,584 posts)
5. Two quotations about religion:
Thu Jul 27, 2023, 12:54 PM
Jul 2023

"You believe in a book that has talking animals, wizards, witches, demons, sticks turning into snakes, burning bushes, food falling from the sky, people walking on water, and all sorts of magical, absurd and primitive stories, and you say that we are the ones who need help?" ---- Mark Twain

"It is startling to realize how much unbelief is necessary to make belief possible." ---- Eric Hoffer

Warpy

(113,131 posts)
7. I see a lot of compartmentalization going on
Thu Jul 27, 2023, 01:25 PM
Jul 2023

with the nonsense pushed to the side during daily life and hauled out every Sunday and whenever stress becomes overwhelming. God in a box in the attic can be very comforting.

The best of them are red letter Christians, pretty much ignoring the OT in favor of the words supposedly right out of Jesus's mouth.

I don't have any problem with them as long as they allow me to do my own thing and don't get their noses out of joint because they never see me in bible study.

Sky Jewels

(8,824 posts)
10. Agreed.
Thu Jul 27, 2023, 02:44 PM
Jul 2023

I do see a lot of people insisting they are Christian/religious and also believe in science. But you can't have it both ways, not when it gets down to it on the most basic level. Supernatural/magical beliefs and beings do not fit within the scientific framework. There is no evidence for them.

CanonRay

(14,915 posts)
8. I believe science and spirituality are on intersecting courses
Thu Jul 27, 2023, 01:32 PM
Jul 2023

Different paths to the same mountain top.

Sky Jewels

(8,824 posts)
9. Science does not actually intersect with supernaturalism, though.
Thu Jul 27, 2023, 02:42 PM
Jul 2023

People want to pretend it does, but it doesn't. Supernatural things such as deities and magical events are not based in any scientific evidence. They're just stories that humans tell themselves.

Now, did people evolve to appreciate and have awe in the beauty in nature and so forth (which is a form of "spirituality," I suppose)? Of course. But that's not the same as believing in magic and/or supernatural phenomenon and beings.

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