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NJCher

(38,184 posts)
Fri Jan 19, 2024, 12:23 AM Jan 2024

What is an Athiest Church?

Church without God: How secular congregations fill a need for some nonreligious Americans

Today, almost 30% of adults in the United States say they have no religious affiliation, and only half attend worship services regularly. But not all forms of church are on the decline – including “secular congregations,” or what many call “atheist churches.”

As a sociologist of religion who has spent the past 10 years studying nonreligious communities, I have found that atheist churches serve many of the same purposes as religious churches. Their growth is evidence that religious decline does not necessarily mean a decline in community, ritual or people’s well-being.

What is an atheist church?

Secular congregations often mimic religious organizations by using the language and structure of a “church,” such as meeting on Sundays or hearing a member’s “testimony,” or by adapting religious language or practices in other ways. For example, there are a growing number of psychedelic churches, which cater to people looking to experience spirituality and ritual through drug use.

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What is an Athiest Church? (Original Post) NJCher Jan 2024 OP
The Unitarian Universalist chuch here is very into conservvation and doing good works Maraya1969 Jan 2024 #1
Where is this? It sounds just like the small UU congregation... 3catwoman3 Jan 2024 #2
Fort Myers FL Maraya1969 Jan 2024 #7
Sure but Unitarianism is a Christian Protestant Voltaire2 Jan 2024 #5
I have never heard them talk about any God. Maybe others are like that but the one in my town isn't. Maraya1969 Jan 2024 #6
There are no 'Atheist Churches'... NeoGreen Jan 2024 #3
Eh. If some atheists want to congregate and call Voltaire2 Jan 2024 #4
True... NeoGreen Jan 2024 #8
While I agree for the most part that what other people do is none of my business Warpy Jan 2024 #9
'St.' Paul (Saul of Tarsus) used the Greek word ekklesia for church. pandr32 Jan 2024 #10
An oxymoron? niyad Jan 2024 #11
A contradiction in terms. DavidDvorkin Jan 2024 #12
Spending the year dead for tax reasons? SomewhereInTheMiddle Feb 2024 #13
The term :"Church" translates to a place of worship for organized religion. msfiddlestix Feb 2024 #14
I'm puzzled how someone who is an agnostic could be anti-religion. My understanding is that an agnostic believes Martin68 Mar 2024 #15
I'm anti-religion, not "anti-god". A HUGE distinction with a significant difference msfiddlestix Mar 2024 #16
OK, I get it, and agree with you, although I've always added "organized" before the religion part because religion Martin68 Mar 2024 #17
If they had psychedelic churches Mr.Bill Mar 2024 #18

Maraya1969

(23,023 posts)
1. The Unitarian Universalist chuch here is very into conservvation and doing good works
Fri Jan 19, 2024, 12:55 AM
Jan 2024

There are atheists and pagans and whatever anyone wants to be. They have set up box gardens that people use to grow vegetables and such. There is even a labyrinth.

Voltaire2

(14,854 posts)
5. Sure but Unitarianism is a Christian Protestant
Fri Jan 19, 2024, 08:33 AM
Jan 2024

Sect with very liberal beliefs including welcoming and supporting non Christians. It is not an atheist church, it is s christian church that includes atheists and wiccans and just about anyone.

Maraya1969

(23,023 posts)
6. I have never heard them talk about any God. Maybe others are like that but the one in my town isn't.
Fri Jan 19, 2024, 10:02 AM
Jan 2024

NeoGreen

(4,033 posts)
3. There are no 'Atheist Churches'...
Fri Jan 19, 2024, 07:45 AM
Jan 2024

... it's a misnomer. There may be Secular Congregations (SCs) of people, fulfilling many of the social functions of traditional 'churches' that have members who happen to be Atheists, but these SCs are not 'Atheist Churches'.

The term Atheist itself is a misnomer, coined by the fantasy/myth enthralled believers of magical things to describe people who are not infected with their god delusion.

There are normal people, who only care about real world solutions to real world problems, and then there are the weirdos who try to mix magic into the discussion. The weirdos coined the term Atheist.

Some day in the future, the terminology used for framing everyday discussion will be about 'people' and the 'deluded'. The term Atheist will be discarded.

Voltaire2

(14,854 posts)
4. Eh. If some atheists want to congregate and call
Fri Jan 19, 2024, 08:30 AM
Jan 2024

their group an atheist church, it’s fine with me.

Also ‘normal’ applied to people’s beliefs or lack thereof is determined by cultural ‘norms’ not by what one thinks people ought to believe or not believe. We live in a massively theistic culture. Theism is normal.

NeoGreen

(4,033 posts)
8. True...
Fri Jan 19, 2024, 10:36 AM
Jan 2024

... but would they really call it a 'church'? I highly doubt it.

Plus, the 'normal' I used was referring to is an expected future 'normal'. Shades of the meme quote (reportedly) by Mr. Zappa.

Warpy

(113,131 posts)
9. While I agree for the most part that what other people do is none of my business
Fri Jan 19, 2024, 12:32 PM
Jan 2024

I do think calling them churches gives aid and comfort to the morons who try to define atheism as a religion.

No thanks.

Call it a meetup, call it a confab, call it a party, cal it Ralph. Please don't call it a church. It's not.

pandr32

(12,261 posts)
10. 'St.' Paul (Saul of Tarsus) used the Greek word ekklesia for church.
Fri Jan 19, 2024, 12:44 PM
Jan 2024

It is also 'ecclesia', and in ancient Greece was used to describe socio-political gatherings--a gathering of the People.
Interestingly, biker clubs also use the word 'church' to describe their regular meetings.

I think one of the draws of a religious church is that of community. When I was a child my mom explained that's why we sometimes went. There were Teas, rummage sales, picnics, and always fun in the after-the-sermon gatherings in the recreation area with tea and coffee, juice for kids, treats, and lots of adults talking and laughing. We kids got to eat cookies and play. When we moved to a new area that was the first place we made new friends from the geographical community our house was in.

13. Spending the year dead for tax reasons?
Thu Feb 8, 2024, 10:03 AM
Feb 2024

One might think in the US the tax benefits of calling a collective a church might influence some groups.

On the other hand, there are other non-taxable categories they might apply for.

That's all that came to mind.

msfiddlestix

(7,848 posts)
14. The term :"Church" translates to a place of worship for organized religion.
Sat Feb 24, 2024, 10:09 AM
Feb 2024

I am very reluctant to identify myself as an atheist. More inclined to identify myself as agnostic.
Regardless, I am quite clear of identifying as Anti-Religious.

Don't know if that's a term generally used within the context of these discussions, just pointing out
using terms I associate with temples of cult worshipers, which all organized use religions gather to burn in their cult doctrines in the minds of worshipers . Temples, Mosques, Churches, it's all the same abhorrent thing to me.

Just expressing my confusion and asking why embrace a term associated with organized religion?









Martin68

(24,711 posts)
15. I'm puzzled how someone who is an agnostic could be anti-religion. My understanding is that an agnostic believes
Mon Mar 4, 2024, 04:28 PM
Mar 2024

there may or there may not be a God, but they believe no one can ever know with 100% certainty. How could you be against something that you acknowledge might be true?

msfiddlestix

(7,848 posts)
16. I'm anti-religion, not "anti-god". A HUGE distinction with a significant difference
Mon Mar 4, 2024, 08:12 PM
Mar 2024

I'm personally against ALL organized religions. across the entire spectrum.

All say they are worshiping "God" and doing God's work. Which also includes warfare, in the name of GOD.

It's not who created the universe, it's what created it. The term God feels like a personal deity, a sort of super cosmic human with feelings and intentions etc. That'what I don't believe in.















Martin68

(24,711 posts)
17. OK, I get it, and agree with you, although I've always added "organized" before the religion part because religion
Tue Mar 5, 2024, 02:56 PM
Mar 2024

has more than one meaning and covers a lot of very different approaches to spirituality.

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