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Bruce Willis (Original Post) ItsjustMe Mar 2024 OP
Cool? claudette Mar 2024 #1
Just because it is not known Farmer-Rick Mar 2024 #5
I also mentioned claudette Mar 2024 #6
Yeah, there's no evidence of a designer either Farmer-Rick Mar 2024 #7
The evidence to claudette Mar 2024 #8
Again you are arguing the god of the gaps Farmer-Rick Mar 2024 #10
Religion has yet to explain how God came to be, so there is that. nt Gore1FL Mar 2024 #11
Produce proof of god. SergeStorms Mar 2024 #13
Where did the "intelligent designer" come from? czarjak Mar 2024 #14
Absolutely agree with that sentiment! Bayard Mar 2024 #2
When did he say that? Timing is everything RainCaster Mar 2024 #3
From an interview in the July 1998 issue of George magazine ItsjustMe Mar 2024 #4
Long before he claudette Mar 2024 #9
What spirit? What blessing? Farmer-Rick Mar 2024 #12

claudette

(4,645 posts)
1. Cool?
Tue Mar 19, 2024, 11:22 PM
Mar 2024

Maybe science has proven how all these things he mentions work, but who created the laws of science that make them function in the first place? An Intelligent Designer? A God? Religion is a myth only to atheists. Agnostics who are not so certain about who this "Designer" is are less rigid. in my view. I'm one of those.

Although, beloved good men and women did exist to show us the way to live. Not myths

Farmer-Rick

(11,532 posts)
5. Just because it is not known
Wed Mar 20, 2024, 08:24 AM
Mar 2024

Doesn't mean a god did it.

This is a common logical fallacy. The fallacy is called, "god of the gaps". As the human race learns more and more of how the universe works, any part of what we don't know is attributed to a god. The gaps in our knowledge are filled with a magical god creator.

Before Newton, god was credited with creating and causing gravity though they didn't call it that. Before Darwin, god was credited for the full and complete creation of humans. Before the germ theory, god, or the devil, made you sick because you were bad. Today, even Catholic Jesuit Priests believe in evolution and germs.

By putting in a god where our human understanding ends, we add nothing to our foundation of knowledge. If medicine had stopped before the germ theory, and just credited a god, then most of our medical knowledge would have been useless. Leeches and blood letting are not cures.

And putting god into where our knowledge ends, takes away the incentive and motivation to expand our knowledge. Well, if god did it, that's it. No need to research and study it anymore. God did his magical thing and human kind can just ignore all the contradictions and inconsistencies of the real world.

claudette

(4,645 posts)
6. I also mentioned
Wed Mar 20, 2024, 08:31 AM
Mar 2024

an Intelligent Designer. Not necessarily a “god” of a religion. Where do atheists believe the very complex universe came from? It created itself?

Farmer-Rick

(11,532 posts)
7. Yeah, there's no evidence of a designer either
Wed Mar 20, 2024, 09:11 AM
Mar 2024

It's just a word use in substitution of the word god.

I don't know what all atheists believe. It's not like a religion where you have specific dogma you all believe in. I think the universe is the result of natural forces. But I don't know for sure and I'm willing to not know everything.

There is no scientific evidence for a designer of any kind. Sometimes natural forces create very complex things.

Instead of making up a god, or designer, why don't you just be in awe of a natural universe that created a creature that can understand it. I think that is inspiring. I don't think a magical creature creating things is inspiring.

claudette

(4,645 posts)
8. The evidence to
Wed Mar 20, 2024, 10:26 AM
Mar 2024

me is the FACT that science has not been able to satisfactorily answer HOW the universe came to be. Something/someone was responsible for it. Matter does not create itself. Of course there would not be evidence of a designer of any kind. The evidence is that - again - matter does not create itself.

Farmer-Rick

(11,532 posts)
10. Again you are arguing the god of the gaps
Wed Mar 20, 2024, 12:37 PM
Mar 2024

You are using a logical fallacy yet again. Insisting on logical fallacies means you are being irrational.

Science has satisfactorily proven a huge portion of the development of our universe. And we may never know all of it. But since energy can be turned into matter, the universe in its billions of years of existence could have created all matter. No god or designer necessary.

Matter can be created from energy and light. The fact that you know about matter means science told you....notice a designer or god never told you.

Science has done its job of proving natural events. They have evidence, you have a negative statement plugged into the limits of current scientific understanding that you are not fully informed about. That's not evidence. That's a mere assertion.

"Nuclear reactions in the sun and at nuclear power plants regularly convert matter into energy. Now scientists have converted light energy directly into matter in a single step." Collisions of Light Produce Matter/Antimatter from Pure Energy

https://www.bnl.gov/newsroom/news.php?a=119023#:~:text=Nuclear%20reactions%20in%20the%20sun,matter%20in%20a%20single%20step.

Also Forbes: "Einstein Was Right: You Can Turn Energy Into Matter'"

SergeStorms

(19,335 posts)
13. Produce proof of god.
Thu Mar 21, 2024, 01:56 AM
Mar 2024

God or creator are catch-all words for things religious people can't explain. "god, or the creator" did it," and that's all they have to say. End of discussion.

czarjak

(12,523 posts)
14. Where did the "intelligent designer" come from?
Thu Mar 21, 2024, 08:15 AM
Mar 2024

This shithole is the best it could do?

claudette

(4,645 posts)
9. Long before he
Wed Mar 20, 2024, 10:27 AM
Mar 2024

was diagnosed with his present condition. Wonder if he is any closer to a "religion" now. The spirit is a wonderful blessing.

Farmer-Rick

(11,532 posts)
12. What spirit? What blessing?
Wed Mar 20, 2024, 08:47 PM
Mar 2024

"I don't profess any religion; I don't think it’s possible that there is a God; I have the greatest difficulty in understanding what is meant by the words ‘spiritual’ or ‘spirituality.'" Philip Pullman

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