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The anti-vaxxers are going to have a fit... (Original Post) Archae Jun 2015 OP
Erin Brockovich (of all people who should know better) Warpy Jun 2015 #1
Actually, one big problem with that graphic SheilaT Jun 2015 #2
Also.... AlbertCat Jun 2015 #3
Every time I fall into conversation with someone SheilaT Jun 2015 #4
An ancient celtic settlement was unearthed about a year ago. DetlefK Jun 2015 #5
Hadn't run across that before. SheilaT Jun 2015 #6
I always like to remind folks.... AlbertCat Jun 2015 #7
I faintly remember that chateaus had secret hallways for servants hidden in the walls. DetlefK Jun 2015 #8

Warpy

(113,131 posts)
1. Erin Brockovich (of all people who should know better)
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 02:32 PM
Jun 2015

wrote a fulminating screed about this and about how it interferes with parental rights, blah blah blah, ending with "I am against Government mandated medical decisions for my children.”

I can't link to it because it's now been 404'd, maybe she took it down.

Maybe my reply of "Public health trumps your right to ignorance" hit the mark. Maybe some of the other scathing replies did.

It looks like there have been enough outbreaks of diseases people foolishly thought were gone forever to scare the sensible ones into getting the kids stabbed on schedule.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
2. Actually, one big problem with that graphic
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 03:50 PM
Jun 2015

is that the earlier lower life expectancy is mainly a vastly greater infant and childhood mortality. Of which some part was definitely no vaccines. But people need to understand life expectancy comparisons.

In earlier eras, people did NOT get old at a faster rate, didn't die of old age at 35. Instead, they succumbed to so many things that we can either cure or prevent today. The prevention is where vaccines come in.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
3. Also....
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 08:11 PM
Jun 2015

Last edited Mon Jun 29, 2015, 10:19 AM - Edit history (1)

...... we bathe.













Seriously, sanitation is a huge part of it. It's hard for us, not living in the 16th century, to understand just not bathing for weeks. If one understands what has to happen back then to take a bath (no hot running water in the house, y'know) one gets why it's that way.... but then add to that a complete lack of knowledge of germs or what caused disease.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
4. Every time I fall into conversation with someone
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 09:05 PM
Jun 2015

who is completely freaked out over another influenza pandemic such as the one in 1918, I point out that we wash our hands pretty regularly these days. A hundred years ago some huge percentage of people did not have access to running water.

And if you go back to the Middle Ages in Europe, peasants commonly lived with their livestock.

Which is not an argument against vaccines, but people need to understand clearly how much is different from earlier eras. Head lice and body lice were so common that they simply weren't remarked upon. In the Middle Ages people would go for months and years without bathing or changing their clothes. I recently read that when Thomas a Becket was murdered, his clothing moved after he was still, because it was so infested with lice. Great image, huh?

DetlefK

(16,479 posts)
5. An ancient celtic settlement was unearthed about a year ago.
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 05:33 AM
Jun 2015

Scientists took a look at the fossilized feces to find out what the ancient Celtics have been eating. They found that these people were teeming with internal parasites because of the bad sanitary conditions.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
7. I always like to remind folks....
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 10:26 AM
Jun 2015

Versailles had no indoor bathrooms.




Can't you see all those lords and ladies in theirs silk finery....




with fleas and lice..... getting "caught short" and using the potted plants or sneaking off to go under the stairs?

DetlefK

(16,479 posts)
8. I faintly remember that chateaus had secret hallways for servants hidden in the walls.
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 10:34 AM
Jun 2015

I figure it would be more practical to keep a pisspot at the ready behind a secret door than to take a shit in a potted plant.

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