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edhopper

(34,775 posts)
Mon May 24, 2021, 04:36 PM May 2021

UFOs Are Back - And They Are Still Nothing

https://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/ufos-are-back-and-they-are-still-nothing/#more-12711

Let’s talk about that evidence, what has been released or leaked to the public so far. Because that is where the rubber meets the road. I will say up front – it is all a giant nothing-burger. We have not seen a single piece of compelling evidence, only the UFO equivalent of blobsquatch – blurry blobs, shapes, and dots with no real context for size, distance, or speed. We basically have the same level of evidence (and the same errors in analysis) we had 60 years ago.


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UFOs Are Back - And They Are Still Nothing (Original Post) edhopper May 2021 OP
Believe in UFOs, but not Aliens. Any Alien beings with technology to get here, Hoyt May 2021 #1
If they are like humans and need oxygen and water, Prof. Toru Tanaka May 2021 #7
We'd all better hope they're 100% nothing Warpy May 2021 #2
Why, edhopper May 2021 #3
I think they float it to absorb attention and calm disturbed periods of time bucolic_frolic May 2021 #4
They should just drop a giant sqouid creature edhopper May 2021 #5
please...Mar a Lago instead.... bahboo May 2021 #6
I agree 100%. Archae May 2021 #8
Sometimes the claim is that the aliens are PoindexterOglethorpe May 2021 #9
The question of extraterrestiall life edhopper May 2021 #10
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
1. Believe in UFOs, but not Aliens. Any Alien beings with technology to get here,
Mon May 24, 2021, 04:45 PM
May 2021

virtually undetected, would preemptively obliterate earth’s inhabitants as a threat to cosmic harmony.

Prof. Toru Tanaka

(2,289 posts)
7. If they are like humans and need oxygen and water,
Mon May 24, 2021, 06:56 PM
May 2021

they would have to be outside of this solar system. That means they would have to have longer lifespans than us or their spacecraft would have to be much faster than ours. Even a planet in the Proxima Centauri system is over 4 years travel from Earth at the speed of light which is 186,000 miles per SECOND. There is no Earth-made object which travels through space at 186,000 miles per hour, which is only 1/3600 the speed of light. At this rate of speed, a spacecraft from the Proxima Centauri system would take 14,400 years to reach Earth.
The incredible distances between stars would seem to negate interstellar travel, at least for us. That being said, I have no doubt that there is intelligent life out there but we will likely never know what they are like.

bucolic_frolic

(46,973 posts)
4. I think they float it to absorb attention and calm disturbed periods of time
Mon May 24, 2021, 05:23 PM
May 2021

Like the late 1960s, and now!

Archae

(46,798 posts)
8. I agree 100%.
Mon May 24, 2021, 09:41 PM
May 2021

Show me some actual EVIDENCE of "alien ships," damn it!
Obviously, they can't or won't.

Just too much money to be made from the flying saucer groupies.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(26,727 posts)
9. Sometimes the claim is that the aliens are
Tue May 25, 2021, 10:52 AM
May 2021

thousands, maybe millions of years ahead of us in technology.

Lots of things most people don't think about when assuming those vague blobs of light are alien spacecraft. First off, the possibility of actual FTL (faster than light) travel is vanishingly small. Which means, as has already been pointed out, even at 99% C(the speed of light), it would take at least four years to get to the nearest star. Even if you assume an intelligent species out there with a much longer life span, that's a barrier to travel. Our medium-sized galaxy is about 100,000 light years in diameter, so actually exploring any significant portion of the galaxy is probably out of the question.

Something else about FTL that My Son The Astronomer told me recently: The faster you go, the more cosmic radiation you'd be exposed to, because you'd be travelling through it so quickly. Which means building a ship with sufficient shielding to protect those inside, might not be possible, no matter how advanced your technology.

Other things: How long it takes for life to evolve on a planet, then how long for intelligent life, then how long for a technological civilization, is a huge unknown. All we know is how long it took these things to happen on our little planet. My Son The Astronomer tells me that a lot of people in his field think we may very well be the first such in our galaxy. Maybe not.

He's in a PhD program in astronomy and is doing research on radial velocity, which is one of the methods used to find exoplanets, planets outside our solar system but inside the galaxy. So far thousands have been found, mostly gas giants, but some smaller, rocky, potentially earth-like planets. Here's a link he sent me yesterday about trying to find extra-terrestrial civilizations by looking for artificial light on the night side of a rocky planet: https://arxiv.org/abs/2105.09990 We are still a long way from being able to do so, and you'll see that what's proposed involves finding planets far more urbanized than ours is.

edhopper

(34,775 posts)
10. The question of extraterrestiall life
Tue May 25, 2021, 11:56 AM
May 2021

even intelligent, technological extraterrestrial life, is quite separate from whether aliens have visited us and kept their presence secret.

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