Is the Hygiene Hypothesis True?
Published October 25, 2022
By Caitlin Rivers
Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
Did Covid shutdowns stunt kids' immune systems?
The hygiene hypothesis is the idea that kids need to be exposed to germs in order to develop healthy immune systems. We know that many common viruses did not circulate as widely during the pandemic, thanks to social distancing, masking, and other COVID mitigation measures. Are there downsides to those missed infections?
In this Q&A, Caitlin Rivers speaks with Marsha Wills-Karp, PhD, MHS, professor and chair of Environmental Health and Engineering, about the role of household microbiomes, birth, and vaccines in the development of kids immune systemsand whether early exposure really is the best medicine.
This Q&A is adapted from Rivers Substack blog, Force of Infection.
I THINK THERES SOME CONCERN AMONG PARENTS WHO HAVE HEARD ABOUT THE HYGIENE HYPOTHESIS THAT THERE IS A DOWNSIDE TO ALL THOSE STUFFY NOSES THAT DIDNT HAPPEN [DURING THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC]. ARE THERE ANY UPSIDES TO VIRAL INFECTIONS? DO THEY HELP THE IMMUNE SYSTEM IN SOME MEANINGFUL WAY?
I dont think so.
You mentioned the hygiene hypothesis, which was postulated back in the 80s. German scientists noticed that families with fewer children tended to have more allergic disease. This was interpreted [to mean] that allergic disease was linked to experiencing fewer infections. I have explored this idea in my research for a couple of decades now.
This phenomenon has helped us to understand the immune system, but our interpretation of it has grown and expandedparticularly with respect to viruses. Almost no virus is protective against allergic disease or other immune diseases. In fact, infections with viruses mostly either contribute to the development of those diseases or worsen them.
Continued https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2022/is-the-hygiene-hypothesis-true
PoindexterOglethorpe
(26,727 posts)is that I got sick A LOT when I was a little kid. Third of six children. Spent the first seven years of my life in a low-income housing development with lots and lots of children, and we all played together. Very few childhood immunizations back then so I got all the then-usual childhood diseases. I was 5 when the polio vaccine came out. I got influenza several times growing up, including the Asian flu. I don't bother with the flu vaccine and the last time I think I got flu was about 50 years ago.
Our immune system is designed to be challenged by diseases, and when we recover we generally have immunity to that disease.
BootinUp
(49,020 posts)but the reality is you don't have enough facts to arive at a reliable concusion.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(26,727 posts)something to assume any kind of general conclusion, it's still real. And valid.
For one thing, there's information out there that raising children with pets helps improve their immune systems. Also, overall, our immune system is designed to allow us to experience various diseases in our youth (the old childhood diseases of past eras) and then protect us from other diseases in adulthood. Typically, our immune system gets less effective as we get older. Sigh.
In my personal case, it seems as if all those illnesses I got in my youth and recovered from have really boosted my immune system. I last got flu around 1975 or so. I don't bother with a flu shot, although I might at some point change my mind about that. And I am not about to suggest anyone reading this should pass on a flu shot. I have gotten Covid shots and boosters, and unlike many I know who have done the same, I have not gotten Covid. It's possible that the fact I live alone and don't often see many other people is important here.
oregonjen
(3,489 posts)I learned that outside time and having the kids play in the dirt was extremely beneficial. Also, kids picking their noses and eating it (yuck!) was good, too.
I got sick for the first two years of teaching, but after that, maybe once a year. Preschools are the ultimate germ factory!
BootinUp
(49,020 posts)related factors (not viral) and are understood to be important.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(26,727 posts)A textbook example of how our immune systems are intended to work.
muriel_volestrangler
(102,473 posts)There is even some evidence to suggest that [beta-amyloid] may have antibacterial properties as a defense mechanism against microbial infections in the brain, the report said.
So yes, dirty fingers going up the nose may trigger the brain to produce these dementia-causing proteins.
https://eu.indystar.com/story/news/2024/02/07/alzheimers-disease-neuroinflammation-nose-picking-dementia-memory-loss-hand-washing/72505363007/
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/nose-picking#summary
Eating your snot is introducing the stuff on your fingers, not in your nose (the latter is already in you).
progressoid
(50,743 posts)Unfortunately, as we saw during the pandemic, most internet "experts" who gained their knowledge from a few youtube videos, don't understand that there is a difference between bacteria and viruses.
NickB79
(19,621 posts)Dirt, pollen, livestock, pets, etc.
Not viral infections.
-misanthroptimist
(1,193 posts)What I do know is that I haven't been sick a single day since (I think) 1998. As a kid I grew up in a filthy house in a filthy neighborhood near a landfill -which we actually played in and picked through. I have no idea if any of that is relevant to my seeming immunity to Earth diseases, but it seems like a possibility to someone, again, with absolutely no expertise and little knowledge of medical issues.