This week’s show
This week, a conversation we recorded a while ago that we’ve been impatient to share.

Ezra Klein joins Search Engine to answer a question that's increasingly confounded us: is there a sane way use the internet, now?

How do I get information about the things I care about without getting sucked into a vortex of opinion, unearned certainty, and yelling?

We make this clear in the episode’s introduction, but one of the pleasures of this show, for me, is that it gives me an excuse to talk to people I admire.

I really like Ezra’s podcast, The Ezra Klein Show. And often when I’m listening, the thought I have is just — how does this person find the time to read and think this much? So it was a treat to demand Ezra answer a series of questions about how he is managing to waste less time on the internet, and what he looks at when he, like anybody, dumbly stares at his phone.