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Botany

(72,477 posts)
Mon Nov 21, 2016, 07:52 AM Nov 2016

it was a coup ... end of story. It is time to fight. Call the D o J, D Senators, and the POTUS

Last edited Thu Nov 24, 2016, 12:32 PM - Edit history (4)

Look @ HRC's growing lead in the popular vote it is soon going to be > 2,000,000 votes.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512618341

in Florida the early voting should have made it mathematically impossible for Trump to win.
http://www.palmerreport.com/opinion/rigged-election-hillary-clintons-early-voting-lead-florida-mathematically-insurmountable/114/


In Georgia the polls right before the election had HRC and Trump in almost a tie.

In North Carolina a software program called "crosscheck" was used to strip 10s of thousands
from their right to have their vote counted.

In PA in Luzerene County they voted for Clinton in '92 and in '96, they voted for Gore in 2000,
they voted for Kerry in 2004, and in 2008 and in 2012 they voted for Obama but in the last
election they voted for Trump?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512617195#post37

In Michigan almost 88,000 people went and voted but did not vote for President. Although I haven't
seen the breakdown I would bet that most of those voters were from Flint and Detroit.

In Wisconsin the exit polls had HRC winning.

In southern states African Americans who turned out to vote for HRC in the primary for did not
turn out to vote her in the general election.

Add in James Comey, the Russians, and the unceasing and unneeded investigations into nothing
that were made to hamstring HRC and you have a coup.

They hack on DU should have been a big red flag.

The system, called Crosscheck, is detailed in my Rolling Stone report,
“The GOP’s Stealth War on Voters http://www.gregpalast.com/election-stolen-heres/

Crosscheck in action:
Trump victory margin in Michigan: 13,107
Michigan Crosscheck purge list: 449,922

Trump victory margin in Arizona: 85,257
Arizona Crosscheck purge list: 270,824

Trump victory margin in North Carolina: 177,008
North Carolina Crosscheck purge list: 589,393


Trump speaks the truth ..... it is rigged.
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it was a coup ... end of story. It is time to fight. Call the D o J, D Senators, and the POTUS (Original Post) Botany Nov 2016 OP
Yeap, DPutin wins all 4 HRC projected states by 1% no more no less that's an anomaly in and uponit7771 Nov 2016 #1
We have to do something before cilla4progress Nov 2016 #3
Agreed. (nt) Paladin Nov 2016 #6
Agreed. If we don't, we will have to forever hold our peace because a coup this widespread BlueCaliDem Nov 2016 #29
What, exactly, do you propose we do? tinrobot Nov 2016 #50
Sign petitions cilla4progress Nov 2016 #57
I JOINED THE GROUP trueblue2007 Nov 2016 #62
Yay! cilla4progress Nov 2016 #63
Wish you are right triron Nov 2016 #72
So true, the media and the people are complacent. It's like we're in the Matrix... take the red or blue pill?! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #76
Too many 2naSalit Nov 2016 #25
In statistics-speak, far, far outside the normal distribution. Coyotl Nov 2016 #71
I'M ALL OVER IT! cilla4progress Nov 2016 #2
I thought the DU hack was a big red flag, too. Vinca Nov 2016 #4
exactly-- always my feeling about the DU hack Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #37
It's funny you mention that... tallahasseedem Nov 2016 #40
Was DU the only liberal site hacked on election day? Initech Nov 2016 #49
Yes, the DU hack was the beginning and imho the DU hack was no AmericanActivist Dec 2016 #74
+ 1 Achilleaze Dec 2016 #75
this. LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #77
I have called them to #audittheVote riversedge Nov 2016 #5
K&R SammyWinstonJack Nov 2016 #7
You know what would be great? kydo Nov 2016 #8
This help? Botany Nov 2016 #9
I didn't mean to be snarky I hope you understand that. kydo Nov 2016 #11
Calling at cilla4progress Nov 2016 #15
Thanks for that red dog 1 Nov 2016 #42
yes, all good points Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #38
U.S. Intelligence officials also said Russia targetted state and local election systems KatyBR Nov 2016 #10
CBS: Was a Trump computer server connected to Russia? Botany Nov 2016 #12
Those Alfa Bank to Trump server comms -- why isn't the NSA all over that with more urgency? Turn CO Blue Nov 2016 #55
Head of NSA now being considered for new Trump Administration KatyBR Nov 2016 #67
"owned by a Russian company" means owned by Putin & Co wordpix Nov 2016 #64
Does anyone seriould believe the Russians just gave up on this project in the end... ElementaryPenguin Dec 2016 #78
Well Trump kept saying it over and over greymattermom Nov 2016 #13
And by doing that Trump got HRC to say that she would accept the outcome of the election. Botany Nov 2016 #14
Well if it was a coup - which it was cilla4progress Nov 2016 #16
AND he said we should just TrishaJ Nov 2016 #22
Right? 2naSalit Nov 2016 #27
Update on numbers to call cilla4progress Nov 2016 #17
I called 11 times today. Never got through to the White House. n/t phylny Nov 2016 #48
Forget about calling the White House red dog 1 Nov 2016 #52
Thank you - that's what I did 30 minutes ago :) n/t phylny Nov 2016 #53
Someone here at DU should start an e-mail campaign red dog 1 Nov 2016 #56
Best way to reach Obama is by e-mail red dog 1 Nov 2016 #51
good Rolling Stone article handmade34 Nov 2016 #18
Indeed! 2naSalit Nov 2016 #28
Thank you for the gathered info! FailureToCommunicate Nov 2016 #19
The Anti-coup by Gene Sharpe mahina Nov 2016 #20
I've been doing everything I can cilla4progress Nov 2016 #21
I asked then if he was planning to rig it malaise Nov 2016 #23
K&R bdamomma Nov 2016 #24
K&R lunamagica Nov 2016 #26
Why would you not challenge cilla4progress Nov 2016 #30
Never lose faith. drm604 Nov 2016 #32
Good advice! red dog 1 Nov 2016 #43
I have diehard Democratic friends who tell me to stop talking about this. drm604 Nov 2016 #31
I agree cilla4progress Nov 2016 #33
People are frightened of the implications. byronius Nov 2016 #39
Thank you, oh degree in computer science lostnfound Nov 2016 #46
is the election certified in these states yet? They shouldn't be wordpix Nov 2016 #65
Florida certifies their vote today SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #66
exactly; Russian state resources + plenty of tech know-how; it's totally possible. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #80
Thanks, Botany. I concur. n/t librechik Nov 2016 #34
Civil disobedience needs to begin. libtodeath Nov 2016 #35
HRC Campaign - Please challenge the vote in 4 States as the data says you won - NC, PA, WI, FL Coyotl Nov 2016 #36
Is it true that paper votes went to Hillary and electronic machine districts Trump? robbob Nov 2016 #41
Very interesting! red dog 1 Nov 2016 #44
K&R...Thanks for posting red dog 1 Nov 2016 #45
K&R SalviaBlue Nov 2016 #47
k&r KewlKat Nov 2016 #54
DOJ should arrest and prosecute Kobach and others who conspired Liberty Belle Nov 2016 #58
Your Rolling Stone link isn't working. Liberty Belle Nov 2016 #59
K&R McCamy Taylor Nov 2016 #60
These are all good ideas, but they will not work. The system of checks and balances is broken. McCamy Taylor Nov 2016 #61
and how many will die in these street protests? Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #68
Very interesting analysis here of how rigging could be done Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #69
Projecting California 2.5 million Clinton lead. Coyotl Nov 2016 #70
Kick. sarcasmo Nov 2016 #73
in the BEST case scenario, trump would be impeached and Pence becomes prez, so cheaters still win. TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #79
Thank you for this, Botany Cha Dec 2016 #81

uponit7771

(91,754 posts)
1. Yeap, DPutin wins all 4 HRC projected states by 1% no more no less that's an anomaly in and
Mon Nov 21, 2016, 07:55 AM
Nov 2016

... of its self and so is a 3.5% increase over 2012 voter rolls on the avg for the rural counties.

As if the rural county voter rolls grew in 4 years were they population has had a downtrend ...

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
29. Agreed. If we don't, we will have to forever hold our peace because a coup this widespread
Mon Nov 21, 2016, 10:57 AM
Nov 2016

will make all elections favor Republicans and wipe out the Dem Party except for a few seats to make it appear 'fair'.

To accept this past election as legit is to surrender power to Republicans for the foreseeable future.

cilla4progress

(25,903 posts)
57. Sign petitions
Mon Nov 21, 2016, 09:50 PM
Nov 2016

Call DOJ, your Representatives, White House, rally. There's a FB group called Million Snowflakes (needs a hyphen) that is posting actions every day.

Come on aboard!

 

triron

(22,240 posts)
72. Wish you are right
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 10:52 PM
Nov 2016

but people are too comfortable and media is already normalizing the bullshit election results

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,544 posts)
76. So true, the media and the people are complacent. It's like we're in the Matrix... take the red or blue pill?!
Tue Dec 27, 2016, 08:12 AM
Dec 2016
 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
71. In statistics-speak, far, far outside the normal distribution.
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 10:45 PM
Nov 2016


The political pendulum just fell from its mooring.

If CA reports as projected, Hillary's lead will be 5x what Kerry won the popular vote by.

cilla4progress

(25,903 posts)
2. I'M ALL OVER IT!
Mon Nov 21, 2016, 07:56 AM
Nov 2016

Not going down without a fight. I'm calling, signing petitions, joining rallies, keepingn up the pressure on FB.

It's 5 am on the west coast. You know what time I can start calling?

Vinca

(51,033 posts)
4. I thought the DU hack was a big red flag, too.
Mon Nov 21, 2016, 08:00 AM
Nov 2016

We would have been following events as they happened and would have been raising hell if there were irregularities. Instead, we were totally crippled. It sure seems like it was a concerted effort to throw the election to the idiot. Are there any Democrats who are powerful enough to get anywhere with this who aren't warming up to sing kumbayah?

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
37. exactly-- always my feeling about the DU hack
Mon Nov 21, 2016, 01:21 PM
Nov 2016

and I want to see some fight from the Dems on this election irregularity isseu.

tallahasseedem

(6,716 posts)
40. It's funny you mention that...
Mon Nov 21, 2016, 02:43 PM
Nov 2016

I thought the same thing when I went to login on Election night and saw that DU was down. I chalked it up as being overly paranoid (especially after living in Tallahassee when 2000 went down), now I'm fairly confident that's the case...

AmericanActivist

(1,019 posts)
74. Yes, the DU hack was the beginning and imho the DU hack was no
Tue Dec 27, 2016, 03:10 AM
Dec 2016

tRump troll. It was sophisticated and targeted, too much so to be some avg "troll"

kydo

(2,679 posts)
8. You know what would be great?
Mon Nov 21, 2016, 08:12 AM
Nov 2016

Thread, pinned at top of this forum and GD, with the Contact info for all the places to call, who we are calling and a basic script on what to say.

We are lazy, as you can tell by the voter non-turn-out, and while we say we will call not many do because its too much trouble to find the info and when we do we panic when they answer cause we don't know how to make complete sentence that make sense because we are shocked someone even answered the phone.

Just saying.

But I agree 100% this election was stolen.

orange man himself back in May or June, openly asked the Russians to hack our emails, that is a serious violation of election laws. Not a damn thing happened.

Oh wait yes about a month later the FBI felt the need to talk about Clinton's emails, "there bad real bad but we aren't gonna do nothing, but they are real bad".

Foreign Government confirmed interfering in our Elections FBI response, *crickets* or rather, "move along nothing to see here."

And then 11 days before the election FBI, "looking at Clinton's emails, bad real bad."

Meanwhile the Russians are hacking away, helping trolls spread fake news, got private email server to talk to russians that are not apart of orange man's campaign team.

Then FBI again a few days before the election, "oops our bad nothing in those emails, but she is still bad."

Election night, the biggest coup in modern history and there is not a damn thing we can do about it.

This is nuts!

Botany

(72,477 posts)
9. This help?
Mon Nov 21, 2016, 08:18 AM
Nov 2016

The White House
202-456-1414

Department Comment Line: 202-353-1555
Department of Justice Main Switchboard: 202-514-2000

Capitol switchboard at (202) 224-3121. A switchboard operator will connect you directly with the Senate office you request.

kydo

(2,679 posts)
11. I didn't mean to be snarky I hope you understand that.
Mon Nov 21, 2016, 08:32 AM
Nov 2016

I was thinking maybe we should contact Skinner or the mods in this forum, the GD and maybe the home page, to have a pinned thread with all the info on contacting officials and what to say.

I know other places are doing this mainly face book pages. But the more places more people can find all the info readily available the more likely they will call.

I wasn't saying you should do this. It was just an idea, suggestion for this website to do it.

That's all I meant.

Thanks for the info and hope you don't hate me like pretty much everyone I come in contact these days.

red dog 1

(29,306 posts)
42. Thanks for that
Mon Nov 21, 2016, 04:29 PM
Nov 2016

Here's more that we can do:

Sign the Care 2 Petition:
"Demand an Audit of the 2016 Presidential Election"
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/810/285/388/

Call the White House Comment Line:
202-456-1111

Send an e-mail to President Obama
http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact

Send an e-mail to your Congressperson
(Google their name & click on "Contact&quot
Or call your Congressperson at whichever local office is nearest to you
(Look in the White Pages of your telephone book under "Government&quot

"Top Democrat Calls For Investigation Into Russia's Role In US Election"
http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/17/politics/house-oversight-democrat-investigate-russia/



KatyBR

(186 posts)
10. U.S. Intelligence officials also said Russia targetted state and local election systems
Mon Nov 21, 2016, 08:31 AM
Nov 2016
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/10/07/russia-s-senior-most-officials-ordered-dnc-hack.html

Oct 7 2016:

Officials also said they had detected Russian attempts to target state and local-level elections systems.

“We also worked as quickly as possible to release as much information as possible in order to provide state and local officials sufficient time to fortify their infrastructure,” the official said. The Department of Homeland Security and the FBI have put state elections officials on notice that hackers have been trying to access voter registration files and could cause havoc on Election Day. So far, 25 states have asked the department to help scan their computer networks for security weaknesses.


Notably, the statement didn’t blame the Russian government for targeting state elections systems, but it did say the activity had been traced to servers owned by a “Russian company.”

Botany

(72,477 posts)
12. CBS: Was a Trump computer server connected to Russia?
Mon Nov 21, 2016, 08:37 AM
Nov 2016

bhttp://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-computer-server-russia-alfa-bank/

In an election season where cybersecurity has been a major issue — from Hillary Clinton’s email server to the hacks, believed to be tied to Russia, that compromised her campaign chairman and the Democratic National Committee — a group of computer scientists stumbled upon evidence possibly connecting a Donald Trump mail server to a separate server belonging to Russia’s Alfa Bank. The discovery, reported by Slate, came just as the New York Times reported that the FBI found no direct link between the Trump Organization and the Russian government.

Turn CO Blue

(4,221 posts)
55. Those Alfa Bank to Trump server comms -- why isn't the NSA all over that with more urgency?
Mon Nov 21, 2016, 09:20 PM
Nov 2016

The NSA is in charge of signal intelligence investigation -- not the FBI.

You can bet that the NSA captured all the packets on those communications, not just the header info.

KatyBR

(186 posts)
67. Head of NSA now being considered for new Trump Administration
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 01:32 PM
Nov 2016

"Why isn't NSA all over that w/more urgency?" Check this out

Source: The Washington Post

By Ellen Nakashima November 19 at 12:46 PM

The heads of the Pentagon and the nation’s intelligence community have recommended to President Obama that the director of the National Security Agency, Adm. Michael S. Rogers, be removed.

The recommendation, delivered to the White House last month, was made by Defense Secretary Ashton B. Carter and Director of National Intelligence James R. Clapper Jr., according to several U.S. officials familiar with the matter.

Action has been delayed, some administration officials said, because relieving Rogers of his duties is tied to another controversial recommendation: to create separate chains of command at the NSA and the military’s cyberwarfare unit, a recommendation by Clapper and Carter that has been stalled because of other issues.

The news comes as Rogers is being considered by President-Elect Donald Trump to be his nominee for DNI, replacing Clapper as the official who oversees all 17 U.S. intelligence agencies. In a move apparently unprecedented for a military officer, Rogers, without notifying superiors, traveled to New York to meet with Trump on Thursday at Trump Tower. That caused consternation at senior levels of the administration, according to the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal personnel matters.

-snip-

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/pentagon-and-intelligence-community-chiefs-have-urged-obama-to-remove-the-head-of-the-nsa/2016/11/19/44de6ea6-adff-11e6-977a-1030f822fc35_story.html?wpisrc=al_alert-national

ElementaryPenguin

(7,847 posts)
78. Does anyone seriould believe the Russians just gave up on this project in the end...
Tue Dec 27, 2016, 01:54 PM
Dec 2016

And just left it to chance - with Hillary holding the lead, by all accounts??

greymattermom

(5,794 posts)
13. Well Trump kept saying it over and over
Mon Nov 21, 2016, 08:37 AM
Nov 2016

that the election was rigged. Maybe it's time to believe him and start investigating it. He told us this, after all.

Botany

(72,477 posts)
14. And by doing that Trump got HRC to say that she would accept the outcome of the election.
Mon Nov 21, 2016, 08:39 AM
Nov 2016


It was a coup.

cilla4progress

(25,903 posts)
16. Well if it was a coup - which it was
Mon Nov 21, 2016, 08:51 AM
Nov 2016

She should not be held to that. Obviously. This is about the American people democratically electing their president. Period

2naSalit

(92,682 posts)
27. Right?
Mon Nov 21, 2016, 10:55 AM
Nov 2016

I heard that one too which caused me to imagine a scenario much like what current reality looks like.

cilla4progress

(25,903 posts)
17. Update on numbers to call
Mon Nov 21, 2016, 09:20 AM
Nov 2016

White House will redirect you to 202 456-1111 to leave a comment.

Both it and DOJ comment line are busy 1st thing - 9 am EST. Left a voicemail on switchboard.

Online or email might also be good.

Phone number to reach senators works great

red dog 1

(29,306 posts)
56. Someone here at DU should start an e-mail campaign
Mon Nov 21, 2016, 09:25 PM
Nov 2016

If President Obama received thousands of e-mails all asking him to do whatever he can to get an audit done in those states where Trump won by
very narrow margins...who knows, it might just help make it happen?
http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact

handmade34

(22,925 posts)
18. good Rolling Stone article
Mon Nov 21, 2016, 09:22 AM
Nov 2016

we must fight... call, write, protest, anything... what is happening is not normal, is not right, cannot stand

drm604

(16,230 posts)
32. Never lose faith.
Mon Nov 21, 2016, 12:00 PM
Nov 2016

Never stop voting. Obama won twice because it wasn't close enough to steal. We just need those overwhelming numbers, and changing demographics are on our side.

drm604

(16,230 posts)
31. I have diehard Democratic friends who tell me to stop talking about this.
Mon Nov 21, 2016, 11:59 AM
Nov 2016

They say it's impossible.

I'm the one with the degree in computer science, not them, and I say that it's very possible. Especially for a technologically advanced space-faring nation like Russia.

It doesn't help when so many of our own fight us on this.

cilla4progress

(25,903 posts)
33. I agree
Mon Nov 21, 2016, 12:13 PM
Nov 2016

I don't understand why people roll over so easily. But, must be the genesis of the Edmund Burke quote:

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

He saw it. We see it. Frustrating and costly.

I'm the idealist in the family. It's really going to break their hearts to see me give up.

byronius

(7,598 posts)
39. People are frightened of the implications.
Mon Nov 21, 2016, 02:27 PM
Nov 2016

Whereas they should be frightened of the consequences.

lostnfound

(16,635 posts)
46. Thank you, oh degree in computer science
Mon Nov 21, 2016, 06:55 PM
Nov 2016

I'm just an engineer but I have been a skeptic since 2004.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
65. is the election certified in these states yet? They shouldn't be
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 10:57 AM
Nov 2016

States should be given through at least end of Jan. to certify b/c many of these issues aren't discovered until long after after an election, as we see here. Move the swearing-in to mid-Feb., what's the difference? Just a few weeks, and it will be warmer

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,351 posts)
66. Florida certifies their vote today
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 11:08 AM
Nov 2016

I think Michigan is the 28th of November, but not sure. Don't know about the others.

And you can't just change the date of the inauguration, much as you might like to - it's in the Constitution.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
36. HRC Campaign - Please challenge the vote in 4 States as the data says you won - NC, PA, WI, FL
Mon Nov 21, 2016, 01:15 PM
Nov 2016

HRC Campaign - Please challenge the vote in 4 States as the data says you won - NC, PA, WI, FL
By ca democrat Sunday Nov 20, 2016

At least 5 reports and detailed stories now say HRC might have/did win and are calling for her to contest the States where the data says she most likely won. Most of the people working on these stories have 10 to 20 years analysing elections. I would take what they have to say very seriously for the good of the country and the HRC voters.

What Can You Do Today? .................


Exit polls:


Twenty states sorted by candidate percentage of votes, linear trend lines are mean tendency.


Exit polls and average polls compared.

Mean red shift for all states with exit polls is less than in the 20 states with contested Senate seats. The 2004 fifty state mean was a 1.45% red shift, with every state below 5%. 2016 represents a 244% increase of exit poll red shift.

?1479450896
Scatter plots focused on the battleground states, blue dots represents states with Dem winner in exit poll losing the election. In Ohio, the Republican margin and the red shift are nearly equal. In MO, the exit poll is off by more than 10%. Blunt was losing in the pre-election polling.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/electionintegrity/CKgvhwJ6Src

robbob

(3,638 posts)
41. Is it true that paper votes went to Hillary and electronic machine districts Trump?
Mon Nov 21, 2016, 04:15 PM
Nov 2016

I thought I read that a couple rust belt "firewall" states had an almost statistically impossible pattern; wherever paper ballots only were used Hillary won by a comfortable margin, when paper and electronic ballots were used Trump consistently won by 1%, and in electronic machine only districts Trump had a 5-10% lead. The pattern was too symmetrical to be coincidence.

Sorry, don't have a source, I think it was posted here in another thread...

red dog 1

(29,306 posts)
45. K&R...Thanks for posting
Mon Nov 21, 2016, 05:39 PM
Nov 2016

We all should contact as many progressive news websites as we can, suggesting that an election audit is necessary because of all the "irregularities" (including how far off the exit polls were), which combined to give Donald Trump very narrow wins in key states such as Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, North Carolina, and Florida.

Be sure to include links to articles such as the following:

- "Still Time For an Election Audit"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028290706#top

- "Was a Trump Computer Server Connected To Russia?"
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-computer-server-russia-alfa-bank/

- "Ethnic Votes Stolen In Crucial States Help Fix US Election For Trump Reveals Greg Palast"
http://www.gregpalast.com/ethnic-votes-stolen-crucial-states-help-fix-us-election-trump-reveals-greg-palast/#more-12932

Other articles can be found doing a Google search.

Here is a list of top Democratic news sites to contact:
http://www.infoblizzard.com/ib-resources/list-of-the-top-democratic-news-sites-on-the-internet-infoblizzard-web-awards

Liberty Belle

(9,611 posts)
58. DOJ should arrest and prosecute Kobach and others who conspired
Mon Nov 21, 2016, 09:53 PM
Nov 2016

to throw 7.2 million minorities off the voting registries in 30 states.

Bernie Sanders should be enlisted to lead the rallying cry for action on this as well as the demand for audits.

You should send a copy of this information to ever elector, on the longshot chance that some could be persuaded to change their votes. I dislike the term "faithless electors." They would be patriots if they saved America from a coup and elected the person who got the most popular votes in a landslide despite rigging and cheating everywhere.

Also don't forget about the state, Alabama or Georgia, that enacted photo ID laws and then shut down DMVs in black neighborhoods to make sure they couldn't get IDs.

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
61. These are all good ideas, but they will not work. The system of checks and balances is broken.
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 01:38 AM
Nov 2016

We will have to have a second Civil Rights Movement. Time to organize some street theater and peaceful protest. The politicians are all bought and sold. Only by winning the hearts and minds of the people can we overcome this latest hurdle.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
70. Projecting California 2.5 million Clinton lead.
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 10:05 PM
Nov 2016

A Clinton margin of 2.5 million votes, if the remaining CA count produces that many, would mean
Clinton's popular vote margin will surpass Trump's total votes in D.C. plus eleven small states.

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