2016 Postmortem

drm604

(16,230 posts) Wed Nov 30, 2016, 11:21 PM Nov 2016

There's info about Russian interference that Senate Democrats are asking Obama to declassify.

Last edited Sat Dec 3, 2016, 11:16 AM - Edit history (2)

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/11/ron-wyden-thinks-we-all-deserve-truth-about-russian-election-interference

Ron Wyden Thinks We All Deserve the Truth About Russian Election Interference

Here's Wyden's press release.
https://www.wyden.senate.gov/news/press-releases/wyden-leads-7-senate-intelligence-committee-members-calling-on-the-president-to-declassify-information-re-russia-and-the-us-election

“We believe there is additional information concerning the Russian Government and the U.S. election that should be declassified and released to the public. We are conveying specifics through classified channels,” the members wrote.

Here's the actual letter to the President.
https://www.wyden.senate.gov/download/?id=D12DD589-5800-4BEF-9F93-A0A122F38D29&download=1

Edited to add: There's now a petition to the White House to release this information.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/declassify-all-information-related-possible-russian-or-foreign-state-interference-2016-presidential-election

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There's info about Russian interference that Senate Democrats are asking Obama to declassify. (Original Post) drm604 Nov 2016 OP

I hope to come back to this thread tomorrow and see many, many recs. nt MADem Nov 2016 #1

Get it out there. Kick and Rec. Hekate Nov 2016 #2

not releasing this KT2000 Nov 2016 #3

Feinstein voted with the Republicans to not declassify. I wonder why? nt jalan48 Nov 2016 #4

I don't see anything to imply that. drm604 Dec 2016 #7

My mistake. Here's the verbiage from MJ. jalan48 Dec 2016 #8

wtf! triron Nov 2016 #5

That's the impression that I get. drm604 Dec 2016 #9

Probably more like it will embarrass OUR intelligence rusty fender Dec 2016 #22

knr triron Nov 2016 #6

Desperately need a sharp investigative journalist to triron Dec 2016 #10

Feinstein was the one Democrat who didn't sign. She is loathesome. KittyWampus Dec 2016 #11

Could get interesting. What happened to that FISA warrant for Trump's secret server to Russia? Coyotl Dec 2016 #12

damn it. get it out there. mopinko Dec 2016 #13

Wyden should read the information on the Senate floor, MADem Dec 2016 #17

Release the Kracken flamingdem Dec 2016 #14

K&R think Dec 2016 #15

Can't a Senator release the information themselves? shawn703 Dec 2016 #16

I don't know. drm604 Dec 2016 #18

I found this. drm604 Dec 2016 #19

I doubt he'd face any shawn703 Dec 2016 #20

Release the Crappen (R) Achilleaze Dec 2016 #21

Has anyone heard anything more about this? drm604 Dec 2016 #23

There is this Ellipsis Dec 2016 #24

Nothing new there. drm604 Dec 2016 #25

Good luck with that. LisaM Dec 2016 #26

Hopefully Wyden, et al will release the info regardless. drm604 Dec 2016 #27

There's now a petition. drm604 Dec 2016 #28

That's 6 Democrats -- and an Independent (Angus King, ME) mainer Dec 2016 #29

K&R 2naSalit Dec 2016 #30

MADem

(135,425 posts)

1. I hope to come back to this thread tomorrow and see many, many recs. nt

Reply to drm604 (Original post)

Wed Nov 30, 2016, 11:28 PM

Nov 2016

Hekate

(94,662 posts)

2. Get it out there. Kick and Rec.

Reply to drm604 (Original post)

Wed Nov 30, 2016, 11:39 PM

Nov 2016

KT2000

(20,838 posts)

3. not releasing this

Reply to drm604 (Original post)

Wed Nov 30, 2016, 11:41 PM

Nov 2016

would CONTINUE to undermine our confidence in the election.

jalan48

(14,393 posts)

4. Feinstein voted with the Republicans to not declassify. I wonder why? nt

Reply to drm604 (Original post)

Wed Nov 30, 2016, 11:44 PM

Nov 2016

drm604

(16,230 posts)

7. I don't see anything to imply that.

Reply to jalan48 (Reply #4)

Thu Dec 1, 2016, 12:01 AM

Dec 2016

All I know is that she didn't sign the letter. That doesn't mean that she voted against it. There may not even have been a vote; just individuals deciding whether or not to sign.

jalan48

(14,393 posts)

8. My mistake. Here's the verbiage from MJ.

Reply to drm604 (Reply #7)

Thu Dec 1, 2016, 12:03 AM

Dec 2016

"That's all the Democrats on the Senate Intelligence Committee except Dianne Feinstein, who joined all the Republicans in apparently not wanting this to be made public."

triron

(22,240 posts)

5. wtf!

Reply to drm604 (Original post)

Wed Nov 30, 2016, 11:51 PM

Nov 2016

Someone is hiding something. Do they think it will destabilize our society or what?

drm604

(16,230 posts)

9. That's the impression that I get.

Reply to triron (Reply #5)

Thu Dec 1, 2016, 12:03 AM

Dec 2016

rusty fender

(3,428 posts)

22. Probably more like it will embarrass OUR intelligence

Reply to triron (Reply #5)

Thu Dec 1, 2016, 02:24 PM

Dec 2016

agencies

triron

(22,240 posts)

6. knr

Reply to drm604 (Original post)

Wed Nov 30, 2016, 11:57 PM

Nov 2016

triron

(22,240 posts)

10. Desperately need a sharp investigative journalist to

Reply to drm604 (Original post)

Thu Dec 1, 2016, 12:27 AM

Dec 2016

interrogate this and report on it; blow it out of the water.

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)

11. Feinstein was the one Democrat who didn't sign. She is loathesome.

Reply to drm604 (Original post)

Thu Dec 1, 2016, 12:47 AM

Dec 2016

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)

12. Could get interesting. What happened to that FISA warrant for Trump's secret server to Russia?

Reply to drm604 (Original post)

Thu Dec 1, 2016, 12:51 AM

Dec 2016

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512604434
FBI has FISA warrant for Trump secret server connected to Russia.

mopinko

(71,813 posts)

13. damn it. get it out there.

Reply to drm604 (Original post)

Thu Dec 1, 2016, 12:53 AM

Dec 2016

wyden, you wanna make a name for yourself, release it.
fuck this shit.

MADem

(135,425 posts)

17. Wyden should read the information on the Senate floor,

Reply to mopinko (Reply #13)

Thu Dec 1, 2016, 07:26 AM

Dec 2016

in front of the C-Span cameras.

His speech is protected there. They can't go after him.

Alternatively, he could pull a Mike Gravel, and insert the material into the Congressional Record.

Maybe Harry Reid will do it. I agree, someone needs to do it.

Soon.

flamingdem

(39,918 posts)

14. Release the Kracken

Reply to drm604 (Original post)

Thu Dec 1, 2016, 12:55 AM

Dec 2016

and the Rusky info now, now, now.

think

(11,641 posts)

15. K&R

Reply to drm604 (Original post)

Thu Dec 1, 2016, 12:56 AM

Dec 2016

shawn703

(2,707 posts)

16. Can't a Senator release the information themselves?

Reply to drm604 (Original post)

Thu Dec 1, 2016, 02:21 AM

Dec 2016

Like Gravel did with the Pentagon Papers?

drm604

(16,230 posts)

18. I don't know.

Reply to shawn703 (Reply #16)

Thu Dec 1, 2016, 10:15 AM

Dec 2016

Can they release classified information? Maybe he feels that it's more proper to allow the President to do it. If he is able to, he could always do so if Obama won't.

drm604

(16,230 posts)

19. I found this.

Reply to shawn703 (Reply #16)

Thu Dec 1, 2016, 10:51 AM

Dec 2016

http://www.pointoforder.com/2013/08/06/congressional-release-of-classified-information-and-the-speech-or-debate-clause/

Ackerman is certainly correct that the Speech or Debate Clause immunizes members of Congress from prosecution for disclosing classified information on the floor or in committee hearings. See Gravel v. U.S., 408 U.S. 606 (1972). As he also recognizes, however, members are not protected against congressional discipline, up to and including expulsion, for revealing classified information without permission.

If this is correct he couldn't be prosecuted but he could still face consequences.

shawn703

(2,707 posts)

20. I doubt he'd face any

Reply to drm604 (Reply #19)

Thu Dec 1, 2016, 02:00 PM

Dec 2016

First, it would require a 2/3 vote to expel a Senator. The Republicans would get nowhere near that. Plus the political costs to them for trying to expel someone who revealed that Russia interfered with our election are probably something they wouldn't want to incur.

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)

21. Release the Crappen (R)

Reply to drm604 (Original post)

Thu Dec 1, 2016, 02:04 PM

Dec 2016

Comrade Casino (R) and his Russian-Republican Hacktivast Cabal have a lot to answer for.

drm604

(16,230 posts)

23. Has anyone heard anything more about this?

Reply to drm604 (Original post)

Fri Dec 2, 2016, 12:43 PM

Dec 2016

Ellipsis

(9,183 posts)

24. There is this

Reply to drm604 (Reply #23)

Fri Dec 2, 2016, 01:28 PM

Dec 2016

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/senators-seek-to-declassify-info-on-russia-role-in-us-election-822587459996

drm604

(16,230 posts)

25. Nothing new there.

Reply to Ellipsis (Reply #24)

Sat Dec 3, 2016, 09:32 AM

Dec 2016

LisaM

(28,601 posts)

26. Good luck with that.

Reply to drm604 (Original post)

Sat Dec 3, 2016, 09:35 AM

Dec 2016

Obama doesn't seem disposed to take any action regarding election interference. He should have reined Comey in back in July, but nope.

drm604

(16,230 posts)

27. Hopefully Wyden, et al will release the info regardless.

Reply to LisaM (Reply #26)

Sat Dec 3, 2016, 09:50 AM

Dec 2016

They can do so without legal consequences if they do it properly. Going to Obama first may simply have been a matter of trying to do it the more "acceptable" way first before using the protection of the Senate floor to release the information.